Syntronik 2 Discussions

[DarkStar]

I found my Syntronik 1 multis (*.st3m) in my SampleTank folder. I can copy these over to my Syntronik 2 Multis folder and they will open in Syntronik 2 multi mode.

However I was wondering if there were any new multis in the new Syntronik 2 format (*.st4m). The original Syntronik 1 multis are also available in the IK "My Products" section, under "Download Resources" (syntronik_multis.zip). But nothing here yet for Syntronik 2. Is a Syntronik 2 upgrade required to access them?

If you have added the Syn1 library path to Syn2's Preference Settings, there should be no need to copy them across. And I think that the Syn2 Multis are in the main Sounds Downloads list in your User Area / My Products / Syntronik 2 section (but maybe only if buy Syn2 or Syn2 MAX?)

[zzz00m]

If you have added the Syn1 library path to Syn2's Preference Settings, there should be no need to copy them across.

Probably true, but I am keeping Syn1 and Syn2 completely separate for now, until the dust settles. I may eventually completely uninstall Syn1.

And I think that the Syn2 Multis are in the main Sounds Downloads list in your User Area / My Products / Syntronik 2 section (but maybe only if buy Syn2 or Syn2 MAX?)

Not here, that's what got me to thinking that the Syn2 full or MAX might be required. I'm currently running Syntronik 2 CS.

I also have Syn1 Free, Syn1, and Syn1 Deluxe registered to my IK account, and the Syn1 multis are not available in the Syn1 Free resources, but are available in the higher editions of v1.

That's a shame because if the Group Buy goes all the way, I will have the equivalent of Syn2 MAX as far as instruments go, but no v2 multis.

[OllieBoi]

Not sure if this is entirely what you mean, but in the mod matrix set source to velocity, destination to filter envelope depth and make sure Bip is turned on. Doesn't work if Bip is turned off.

On another note, I noticed that the sub oscillators are downtuned -12 rather than note shifted -12. I get way better results, when I want a sub, loading the same oscillator in a separate multi and note shifting -12 rather than using the included sub osc. I really wish they had note shifted the sub oscs rather than just downtuning them.

 

Thanks for your help! I had tried assigning velocity to filter envelope amount in the mod matrix but that wasn't working. But I hadn't turned on the "Bip" parameter. Once I did that, velocity can now be applied to the filter. Yay! Just out of curiosity, what does the "Bip" setting do?

Also, I wonder what the "Velocity" knob/slider is actually doing on the "easy edit" screens of Syntronik 2 instruments. Because it doesn't make patches velocity sensitive. It just increases the filter cutoff. What's even weirder, this Velocity parameter is nowhere to be found on the Sampletank-style Edit screen.

I found that if you just set this easy edit Velocity parameter to 0% and use the mod matrix on the Edit page instead, that works best. But it's a bit of a pain to have to set up this mod routing for every patch in the Syntronik 2 library.

Anyway, thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it.

[OllieBoi]

I asked this earlier but does anyone find the presets to be way too hot? Even the Multis I did with Syntronik 1 are way over driven now.

The Syntronik 2 presets are definitely hot. I have to turn down the volume level on the Edit page otherwise the presets will clip when I play four note chords.

[Synth Master Jedi]

But I also notice that the Syntronik Group Buy is no longer mentioned on the first page of the Promo or All News pages on the main IK site. You have to click "load more" for it to show. That might slow things down a bit.

It might not be mentioned on the home page anymore as you wrote, but I do know that they're still promoting it, because they've sent me 2 emails in the past hour about it.

[Teksonik]

I may not be signed up for their promo e-mails since I haven't see anything from them in awhile except confirmations when I choose one of the free instruments.

But I just checked and the Syntronik Group Buy is back on the main page, top left entry.

[DarkStar]

I had tried assigning velocity to filter envelope amount in the mod matrix but that wasn't working. But I hadn't turned on the "Bip" parameter. Once I did that, velocity can now be applied to the filter. Yay! Just out of curiosity, what does the "Bip" setting do?

Modulations are unipolar by default and made bipolar when the BIP setting is On.

Also, I wonder what the "Velocity" knob/slider is actually doing on the "easy edit" screens of Syntronik 2 instruments. Because it doesn't make patches velocity sensitive. It just increases the filter cutoff. What's even weirder, this Velocity parameter is nowhere to be found on the Sampletank-style Edit screen.

I found that if you just set this easy edit Velocity parameter to 0% and use the mod matrix on the Edit page instead, that works best. But it's a bit of a pain to have to set up this mod routing for every patch in the Syntronik 2 library.

If you look at the Syn1 preset in SampleTank 3, you will see that the Velocity value on the Syntronik Easy screen maps to the SampleTank Velocity / Filter knob::

5.5.4 Velocity to Filter knob
This lets you control the cutoff frequency of the filter with how hard you hit the key. When the knob is turned
clockwise, harder velocities will increase the filter cutoff frequency. When the knob is turned counter-clockwise,
harder velocities will decrease the filter cutoff frequency. This is a great way to add expression by making the
sound brighter or darker depending on how hard you play.

It is annoying that this is not covered in the Syntronik or ST4 manuals.

[jdoo]

I found my Syntronik 1 multis (*.st3m) in my SampleTank folder. I can copy these over to my Syntronik 2 Multis folder and they will open in Syntronik 2 multi mode.

However I was wondering if there were any new multis in the new Syntronik 2 format (*.st4m). The original Syntronik 1 multis are also available in the IK "My Products" section, under "Download Resources" (syntronik_multis.zip). But nothing here yet for Syntronik 2. Is a Syntronik 2 upgrade required to access them?

If you have added the Syn1 library path to Syn2's Preference Settings, there should be no need to copy them across. And I think that the Syn2 Multis are in the main Sounds Downloads list in your User Area / My Products / Syntronik 2 section (but maybe only if buy Syn2 or Syn2 MAX?)

Thank you! This worked great. I pointed Syntronik 2 at the Syntronik libraries I have for multis..and they are showing up in S2 now. Terrific.

[Bandaide]

Since S2 is sample based, how does it handle pulse width modulation? I'm guessing they sampled it at a couple different speeds?

What about depths though?

[OllieBoi]

Since S2 is sample based, how does it handle pulse width modulation? I'm guessing they sampled it at a couple different speeds?

What about depths though?

I haven't come across too many PWM presets. I admit though I haven't been on the lookout for them. The PWM presets that I have heard seem to have only a single speed. I don't think the Syntronik presets are sampled that deeply. For instance, there are not a lot of velocity layers in the presets. The presets mostly rely on Syntronik's built in modeled filters to provide dynamics.

The presets synth programming is pretty weak IMO compared to something like Omnisphere. I don't know how much I will be using Syntronik 2 Max.

[OllieBoi]

If you look at the Syn1 preset in SampleTank 3, you will see that the Velocity value on the Syntronik Easy screen maps to the SampleTank Velocity / Filter knob::

5.5.4 Velocity to Filter knob
This lets you control the cutoff frequency of the filter with how hard you hit the key. When the knob is turned clockwise, harder velocities will increase the filter cutoff frequency. When the knob is turned counter-clockwise, harder velocities will decrease the filter cutoff frequency. This is a great way to add expression by making the sound brighter or darker depending on how hard you play.

It is annoying that this is not covered in the Syntronik or ST4 manuals.

I have SampleTank 4 SE that I think I got when I purchased Syntronik 2 Max. I checked out the synth edit screen in SampleTank 4 and there is no Velocity to Filter Envelope Amount knob! (There also isn't a Velocity to Filter Cutoff knob.) There is a filter envelope amount control but this interacts weirdly the "Amount" slider to the right of the filter envelope.

Something is really screwy with the filter design in SampleTank 4.

[Teksonik]

The presets synth programming is pretty weak IMO compared to something like Omnisphere.

I'm more concerned with making my own presets but I have to agree with you to a certain extent. Some of the factory presets are pretty bad.

The thing with these sampled "emulations" is if you don't program patches on the hardware that capture the spirit of the original synth then you've failed from the start.

For example there is one iconic patch in the PPG that I love but IK failed to recreate that patch and then sample it so....fail. Perhaps they couldn't do some of the iconic sounds so as not to infringe on copyright, who knows.

Anyway if we just circle back to the fact that many or most of us only paid $35 due to JamPoints, I think the value of the whole package is still pretty strong despite the quirks and faults.

Syntronik 2 is still capable of creating some great sounds especially when using the layers.

We're only 6 1 away from the 14th freebie so we'll reach that some time today although I'm not sure if we'll make 33 unless there is a last minute surge or extension.

[DarkStar]

If you look at the Syn1 preset in SampleTank 3, you will see that the Velocity value on the Syntronik Easy screen maps to the SampleTank Velocity / Filter knob::

5.5.4 Velocity to Filter knob
This lets you control the cutoff frequency of the filter with how hard you hit the key. When the knob is turned clockwise, harder velocities will increase the filter cutoff frequency. When the knob is turned counter-clockwise, harder velocities will decrease the filter cutoff frequency. This is a great way to add expression by making the sound brighter or darker depending on how hard you play.

It is annoying that this is not covered in the Syntronik or ST4 manuals.

I have SampleTank 4 SE that I think I got when I purchased Syntronik 2 Max. I checked out the synth edit screen in SampleTank 4 and there is no Velocity to Filter Envelope Amount knob! (There also isn't a Velocity to Filter Cutoff knob.) There is a filter envelope amount control but this interacts weirdly the "Amount" slider to the right of the filter envelope.

Something is really screwy with the filter design in SampleTank 4.

I was referring to SampleTank 3, not 4.

[SLiC]

For example there is one iconic patch in the PPG that I love but IK failed to recreate that patch and then sample it so....fail. Perhaps they couldn't do some of the iconic sounds so as not to infringe on copyright, who knows.

PPG Wave 3.V by Waldorf has been sold several times for under $30...probably a better bet for making patches and just view Syntronic as a Rompler with a little bit of tweakabaility...

[Teksonik]

For example there is one iconic patch in the PPG that I love but IK failed to recreate that patch and then sample it so....fail. Perhaps they couldn't do some of the iconic sounds so as not to infringe on copyright, who knows.

PPG Wave 3.V by Waldorf has been sold several times for under $30...probably a better bet for making patches and just view Syntronic as a Rompler with a little bit of tweakabaility...

I've owned Waldorf's PPG plugin for many years but you're missing the point.

Again if IK doesn't capture the spirit and iconic sounds of a synth then they have failed to deliver on the potential of the instrument being sampled. I just mentioned the PPG as an example.

Syntronik 2 is far from being a rompler. It has all the needed sound design capabilities ( 4 Oscs, 4 Layers,Filters, Envs, LFOs, Mod Matirx, Effects, Arp Seq etc) it just has sample based Oscs instead of a limited handful of generated waveforms.

Anyway we're at 14 free, 83 to the next level.