Kilohearts Updates the Entire Kilohearts Ecosystem to v2 - Including Phase Plant

[PieBerger]

Plenty of others where exactly? Not on the Discord, 1 or 2 other people here on KVR, who are a little put out, certainly not as miffed as you seem to be. Just face it, you are in the tiny minority of users genuinely upset about this move. Time to let it go I think. If you have ever bought software at a discounted price, which I assume you have, then you have de facto put out all other users who bought the same software at full price. This is no different.
Either you support developers to offer promotions that are necessarily unfair to its userbase (biased towards new customers) and you roll with the punches or you are in favour for fixed pricing for everyone all of the time, you can't have it both ways.

i think if youre claiming to be the voice of reason you need to explain some reasoning for how a sale is the exact same as giving things away for free, theyre not the same, one completely loses its value, one is permanent, and it would be impossible for kilohearts to do this tactic before a sale of using promotions to decieve people into buying things just before changing their policy to make them free and make more money indirectly. with sales that would just be a sale before a sale.

you dont need to want completely fixed pricing to be against this, why would you? just because you used the word reason doesnt mean you have reasoned your point

They are giving away about 50% of the value of their complete bundle which is equivalent in monetary value to a 50% off sale. Any time a developer has sale they are giving something away. If person A buys two products at value X but during a sale person B can buy those two same products and then two more, for the same spend, then the developer has effectively given those two extra products away to person B for free, from person A's perspective. The end result is exactly the same.

[j wazza]

They are giving away about 50% of the value of their complete bundle which is equivalent in monetary value to a 50% off sale. Any time a developer has sale they are giving something away. If person A buys two products at value X but during a sale person B can buy those two same products and then two more, for the same spend, then the developer has effectively given those two extra products away to person B for free, from person A's perspective. The end result is exactly the same.

its not the same as 50% bundle as the individual plugins have lost all value and the rest hasn't, and most people wont get the whole bundle

for person a and b, its still not the same as giving them for free, they have paid for those plugins. if A buys 2 plugins for £40 total he spends 20 per plugin, and B buys 4 for £40 he spends 10 per plugin, neither got anything for free

the value of the individual plugins is what makes the difference to reselling individual plugins

this is all quite a big stretch imo, lets agree to disagree, other people have a right to be annoyed and you have a right not to be

i think if i got a bit of money back or a worthwhile piece of software (even in future) i would be happy, but from what kilohearts has at the moment, i already own everything i want

[LeVzi]

how the hell did you remember, he'd made a post that long ago?

it's not like it was a recent thread.

Because he's that intent on trying to one up me.

Like it matters that much.

That was proven this morning on Discord when he and a couple of others pretty much went ape shit because I said it to the Khz people who use Discord.

I'm trying to make you see that you have inconsistent reasoning and are behaving like a spoiled child. You think good deals should only apply to you and you throw your toys out of the pram when things don't go in your favour. You only took to Discord this morning because you didn't get the validation you expected on here. You accuse users on Discord of going apeshit when all we did was call you out on you being salty because the reshuffling didn't go in your favour. Most customers here on KVR and on Discord are happy when good things happen for other people, you should join us

Couldn't be further from the truth, your fanboism is shining bright.

You've been very busy to put people down who dont agree with you, and that was proven this morning on Discord, when you spat your dummy out and critisized not just me here, but everyone. YOu are the one acting like a child, and its apparent you love KHz they can do no wrong in your eyes, and that blinds you that not everyone shares your opinion.

Quite frankly, you are just embarassing yourself, even the KHz team had to mod you to shut you up.

[Rickskii]

IMHO buying software with the thought of future resale is not going to prove successful in the long run, especially in recent times.

Just enjoy the stuff you have and make music…

[PieBerger]

how the hell did you remember, he'd made a post that long ago?

it's not like it was a recent thread.

Because he's that intent on trying to one up me.

Like it matters that much.

That was proven this morning on Discord when he and a couple of others pretty much went ape shit because I said it to the Khz people who use Discord.

I'm trying to make you see that you have inconsistent reasoning and are behaving like a spoiled child. You think good deals should only apply to you and you throw your toys out of the pram when things don't go in your favour. You only took to Discord this morning because you didn't get the validation you expected on here. You accuse users on Discord of going apeshit when all we did was call you out on you being salty because the reshuffling didn't go in your favour. Most customers here on KVR and on Discord are happy when good things happen for other people, you should join us

Couldn't be further from the truth, your fanboism is shining bright.

You've been very busy to put people down who dont agree with you, and that was proven this morning on Discord, when you spat your dummy out and critisized not just me here, but everyone. YOu are the one acting like a child, and its apparent you love KHz they can do no wrong in your eyes, and that blinds you that not everyone shares your opinion.

Quite frankly, you are just embarassing yourself, even the KHz team had to mod you to shut you up.

I put one person down, you, because you took it upon yourself to be salty in multiple places on the internet because you feel you have been wronged because a plugin developer decided to give away some plugins that you previously paid for.

KHS aren't even my favourite developer and I too have been "wronged" like you have but I choose not to be petty about it on the internet, but apparently that's fanyboying.

You are only this p!ssed because you were reluctant to invest in their products to begin with, but you let your GAS get the better of you and did it anyway and now you're angry because you're stuck with a bunch of software you didn't really want/need. That's a you problem, not a KhS or fanboy or anyone else problem.

When you have calmed down you will come to realise this I'm sure.

[billcarroll]

Is it even KVR if people don’t complain about free stuff?!

[j wazza]

IMHO buying software with the thought of future resale is not going to prove successful in the long run, especially in recent times.

Just enjoy the stuff you have and make music…

i dont buy stuff planning to sell it but it is a consideration, and it just means the company is now reducing the value of their other plugins to me cos i wont trust that i could resell if needed now

Is it even KVR if people don’t complain about free stuff?!

i think if they hadnt done all those snapin promos recently there would be much less room to complain, but theres nothing wrong with being annoyed about losing hundreds of pounds of resale value, im not complaining about the free stuff itself, i got a few snapins i didnt already have (although not ones i wanted anyway but its still a good thing), and if they give us 1 decent plugin as compensation then i would have no complaints whatsoever, could be a cheap one or a time-unlimited voucher that i could use to buy something new from them in future, but i wouldnt want preset packs

uhe are telling people about the pricing changes ages in advance to avoid complaints like this which is a better way to do it but kilohearts said theyll help if you contact them so that's good

[billcarroll]

IMHO buying software with the thought of future resale is not going to prove successful in the long run, especially in recent times.

Just enjoy the stuff you have and make music…

i dont buy stuff planning to sell it but it is a consideration, and it just means the company is now reducing the value of their other plugins to me cos i wont trust that i could resell if needed now

Is it even KVR if people don’t complain about free stuff?!

i think if they hadnt done all those snapin promos recently there would be much less room to complain, but theres nothing wrong with being annoyed about losing hundreds of pounds of resale value, im not complaining about the free stuff itself, i got a few snapins i didnt already have (although not ones i wanted anyway), and if they give us even 1 decent plugin (not preset packs) as compensation then i would have no complaints whatsoever, eg if they gave me a free license for one of their paid effects

The mistake is buying plugins assuming there should be resale value. The value of a plugin is the use you get out of it. There is no guarantee it will be worth anything. This is just Plugin GAS in full affect. People buy a bunch of plugins they don't need and possibly can't afford, thinking the plugins have value like gold and can be resold.

Plugins do provide value like gold, but only if you use them to make music.

Complaining that a plugin company has decided to give plugins away and somehow that destroys your mythical plugin value or investment seems to me to be misguided thinking. Your opinion is obviously different, and I acknowledge you have your right to think and feel the way you do. I just don't get it.

[j wazza]

The mistake is buying plugins assuming there should be resale value. The value of a plugin is the use you get out of it. There is no guarantee it will be worth anything. This is just Plugin GAS in full affect. People buy a bunch of plugins they don't need and possibly can't afford, thinking the plugins have value like gold and can be resold.

Plugins do provide value like gold, but only if you use them to make music.

Complaining that a plugin company has decided to give plugins away and somehow that destroys your mythical plugin value or investment seems to me to be misguided thinking. Your opinion is obviously different, and I acknowledge you have your right to think and feel the way you do. I just don't get it.

you buy things knowing there is resale value at the time, its not mythical, but i will bear in mind that this can always change, but with PA making a few things free recently, the value was much less so much less of a big deal. kilohearts having free license transfers added to the value of these plugins to me and many others

as i said before, the main reason im annoyed is their tactic of doing multiple snapin promos in recent months to get people to buy them just before making them free, its shady. they said theyll compensate for last 3 months, so if i get anything that is at all worthwhile to me, i would be perfectly content

i think the other side of the debate would need to explain why these recent promos were not deceptive or shady or a reason to be annoyed

[ralfrobert]

The mistake is buying plugins assuming there should be resale value. The value of a plugin is the use you get out of it. There is no guarantee it will be worth anything. This is just Plugin GAS in full affect. People buy a bunch of plugins they don't need and possibly can't afford, thinking the plugins have value like gold and can be resold.

Plugins do provide value like gold, but only if you use them to make music.

Complaining that a plugin company has decided to give plugins away and somehow that destroys your mythical plugin value or investment seems to me to be misguided thinking. Your opinion is obviously different, and I acknowledge you have your right to think and feel the way you do. I just don't get it.

you buy things knowing there is resale value at the time, its not mythical, but i will bear in mind that this can always change, but with PA making a few things free recently, the value was much less so much less of a big deal. kilohearts having free license transfers added to the value of these plugins to me and many others, i dont get how anyone can not understand what resale value means

as i said before, the main reason im annoyed is their tactic of doing multiple snapin promos in recent months to get people to buy them just before making them free, its shady. they said theyll compensate for last 3 months, so if i get anything that is at all worthwhile to me, i would be perfectly content

i think ive explained this enough now on my end, if people still dont understand theres nothing more i can do

Have Kilohearts shed some light on how this decision was made? Maybe it was short term.

I think this change in policy is a godsend for producers and sound designers who now can use the synth and snapin containers for very little money and have access to all the 30 plugins. Also good for newbies, all you ever need if you like the style.

[Trancit]

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Doesn't matter how many different ways you dress it up, me and plenty others are not pleased with this move.

I am sorry, but honestely I don´t get why people like you are pissed off...

If they wouldn´t be free now and still payware, what difference would that make to you???
Would you feel better when you wake up in the morning??
Do they sound better because they are payware??

You bought them at that point in time because they had some value for you, I guess...
Now that they are free, does this reduce this value for you???

Of course you can be angry about yourself that if you would have waited you would have saved some money but that´s really it...

I don´t get where this greed and grudge comes from...

" I spent a lot of money for them... this made it something special for me...
Now that they are free, it´s the company´s fault that I spent money for nothing... and now that everybody get them for free they are nothing special for me any longer!! "

Is this the way you think???

The money you spent is gone anyway... it was worth for you to spend this money...
Now that they are free, does it stop you using them the same way like last week or do they have stopped working now or sound worse??

I cannot understand how this is a reason to blame a company for...
Perhaps you should be sometimes less selfish and enjoy that many people who probably couldn´t afford them before can freely use them from now on... and who knows, perhaps one or two of them are that gifted that with these tools they might become your favourite artists and you enjoy their music in future...

What I don't get is why people like you, think that what you say is right.

What cost a lot of money is now free. They cannot be re-sold , so apart from a few of the things, the effects are now worthless in terms of recouping money spent should I decide to get rid.

But don't let that stop you trying to be so morally superior.

It won´t...

[j wazza]

Have Kilohearts shed some light on how this decision was made? Maybe it was short term.

I think this change in policy is a godsend for producers and sound designers who now can use the synth and snapin containers for very little money and have access to all the 30 plugins. Also good for newbies, all you ever need if you like the style.

not as far as i know, but to me it seems too coincidental that they went from occasional vouchers to suddenly loads at the perfect value for buying snapins, just before this. i think it was planned, it came with the v2 release too which was in the works for a while, i dont doubt it was planned

its true that its a great free fx suite and its good to make music more accessible, thats why im not saying the free effects themselves are a bad thing, i wish theyd always been free, id just like something like carve eq to make up for firstly the tricks but also the loss of resale value

companies should reward their existing, loyal customers who have bought lots of stuff

[ralfrobert]

Have Kilohearts shed some light on how this decision was made? Maybe it was short term.

I think this change in policy is a godsend for producers and sound designers who now can use the synth and snapin containers for very little money and have access to all the 30 plugins. Also good for newbies, all you ever need if you like the style.

not as far as i know, but to me it seems too coincidental that they went from occasional vouchers to suddenly loads at the perfect value for buying snapins, just before this. i think it was planned, it came with the v2 release too which was in the works for a while, i dont doubt it was planned

its true that its a great free fx suite and its good to make music more accessible, thats why im not saying the free effects themselves are a bad thing, i wish theyd always been free, id just like something like carve eq to make up for firstly the tricks but also the loss of resale value

By the way, I am also affected by this because I got all the snapins about half a year ago. Mixed feelings on my side.

I hope it works out for them. V2 looks pretty stable to me which I love. No bug temple like other products, just usable, powerful tools. Let's see what they bring to the table within the rest of the year.

[Rickskii]

I don’t get vouchers from Kilohearts as I have everything. When I was was buying bit by bit I got vouchers the following month on the back of these purchases. Have Kilohearts been more aggressive recently or have they just been sending loyalty vouchers as usual? Also Kilohearts have sales monthly on snapins that is how I picked up mine, they have always done this. Again, have they been more aggressive in the build up to this giveaway? If they have I could see how that is a bit off I suppose.

[zvenx]

I don’t get vouchers from Kilohearts as I have everything. When I was was buying bit by bit I got vouchers the following month on the back of these purchases. Have Kilohearts been more aggressive recently or have they just been sending loyalty vouchers as usual? Also Kilohearts have sales monthly on snapins that is how I picked up mine, they have always done this. Again, have they been more aggressive in the build up to this giveaway? If they have I could see how that is a bit off I suppose.

I echo your views..
Though they say anyone who bought within the last 3 months can be taken care of if they contact support.

rsp