Confession: I can't use ugly plugins.

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Aleksey Vaneev
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3857 posts since 7 Sep, 2002

Post Sat May 21, 2022 10:41 am

:hihi: Voxengo seems to be an inspiration to talk about ugliness.

So, I'm totally correct about "exaggeration". :hihi:

Picasso was also regarded as a painter of "ugliness", so maybe a hope lies in the future. :hihi:
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careyletendre
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343 posts since 8 Mar, 2007

Post Sat May 21, 2022 10:50 am

I have come to regret using the term 'ugly' in my original post. It was mainly used in jest. The word I should have used perhaps is 'unappealing'. Saying ugly is like referring to art that I don't like as 'bad' art. There obviously is no bad art, just personal taste. Voxengo plugins are esthetically not to my taste.

Besides, everyone knows that pretty plugins sound better. :)

Carey
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jamcat
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2274 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Sat May 21, 2022 10:52 am

I like how the Voxengo Sound Delay lets you choose meters and feet, so I use it to delay the “room” channel in MODO DRUM since it seems IK didn’t account for mic distance.

Since it is recreating a property of physics and not modeling analog gear, I don’t care how it looks so much. Also, I just set and forget. I’m not mixing with it or spending a lot of time looking at it.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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Boy Wonder
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172 posts since 30 Jan, 2021

Post Sat May 21, 2022 12:48 pm

I like Voxengo. Sounds nice. My UI preference for their stuff, of which they have many built in, is a dark skin at 150% magnification.

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Digivolt
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964 posts since 21 Nov, 2018

Post Sat May 21, 2022 1:03 pm

careyletendre wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:50 am Voxengo plugins are esthetically not to my taste.
So change the colour scheme to your taste ? That's what most of us have done

careyletendre
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343 posts since 8 Mar, 2007

Post Sat May 21, 2022 3:18 pm

Digivolt wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 1:03 pm
careyletendre wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:50 am Voxengo plugins are esthetically not to my taste.
So change the colour scheme to your taste ? That's what most of us have done
If it were only that simple.

Carey

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Bodhisan
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755 posts since 7 Aug, 2015 from H2O

Post Sat May 21, 2022 3:24 pm

careyletendre wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:50 am I have come to regret using the term 'ugly' in my original post. It was mainly used in jest. The word I should have used perhaps is 'unappealing'. Saying ugly is like referring to art that I don't like as 'bad' art. There obviously is no bad art, just personal taste. Voxengo plugins are esthetically not to my taste.

Besides, everyone knows that pretty plugins sound better. :)

Carey
Good follow-up - good analogy. 👍🏻

mixyguy2
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346 posts since 2 Mar, 2018

Post Sat May 21, 2022 6:09 pm

Teksonik wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 4:34 am It's simple, to compare downloads of a free plugin to one that costs $179 isn't a level playing field.

Of course there are likely to be more downloads of the free SPAN than the $179 Pro-Q.

It has nothing to do with quality
Got ya, thanks for clarification.

Aleksey Vaneev wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 7:13 am OK. Then can I wonder if you are trying to say that some "average user" will use something "ugly" if it's free? (I personally do not think it's how things work).
I think you need to think again. Most people will be more forgiving of a product in various ways, including the UI, if it's free. But ironically in a way this is in Voxengo's favor...that people will use it even though it doesn't have a great UI. That's because you make good stuff. :)

PS I just visited the site. Interestingly, it looks like it's the free plugins that could use a facelift. But they are not at all "toy like" IMO, and FWIW I have long been a Voxengo fan. They were some of the first plugins I tried and the Oldskool reverb in particular was my first "go to" reverb.

MogwaiBoy
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4371 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Post Sat May 21, 2022 6:22 pm

My personal view is that it's all about the music - your audience don't see the plugins you used... or, if you're one of those people on Insta, maybe they do! In other words, it doesn't bother me. Some plugins are kinda ugly but if I know they sound great, and that's pretty much all that matters to me.

In any case - there's no shame in avoiding ugly GUI's, because it's about whatever makes you feel comfy and creative... and if that means a pretty GUI helps you make better music, so be it. It's the same reason why people like a tidy workspace, or an environment that helps them get in the mood for awesome sh**.

ghettosynth
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13878 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Sat May 21, 2022 7:10 pm

careyletendre wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 3:18 pm
Digivolt wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 1:03 pm
careyletendre wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:50 am Voxengo plugins are esthetically not to my taste.
So change the colour scheme to your taste ? That's what most of us have done
If it were only that simple.

Carey
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Nah, it's not just the colors, those knobs are definitely "softball cute." How many layers of 3d skirts and flange are there? The LED rings are definitely on the unnecessarily chonky side. That 3d parameter popout surround also contributes to the outdated look.

Also, I can't think of anything more tedious than choosing color schemes for plugins. I see that people spend hours of their lives making skins for things, I don't have time for that. I like to spend my hours slaving over different but equally tedious activities that are just as irrelevant. Consequently, I need my plugins to come with nice knobs that I don't mind looking at for hours on end.

That said, it's stuff like this that sends my fugly-dar off the charts.

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Those knobs, gah!

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jamcat
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2274 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Sat May 21, 2022 7:18 pm

I would be most happy if Voxengo released r8brain PRO for Mac. I don't even care if it's ugly or not.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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Aleksey Vaneev
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3857 posts since 7 Sep, 2002

Post Sat May 21, 2022 9:54 pm

Oh well, I'm happy about the sales, I'm mostly happy about the looks of Voxengo plugins I did, so I'll just classify "haters" as overly-selective persons. On the other hand, I dislike most "rack panel" UIs, and I'm not very fond of now-usual "dark grey, minimal, borderless" UIs. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you like something and dislike another thing, you are telling about yourself. I would not really be eager to call something "ugly" in public, even if I think that thing is undefended in public opinion.
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ghettosynth
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13878 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Sat May 21, 2022 10:43 pm

Well, let's take some of the heat off of Aleksey. After all, I don't think his work is even a top contender. Not even a mention in this reddit post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/c ... glist_vst/

Surely this is a GUI that only a mother can love...

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And of course, there's the alien, um, tool, with heat dissipation fins. No you won't be able to un-see it going forward

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kritikon
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6319 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand

Post Sun May 22, 2022 2:18 pm

Just shows it's all in the eye of the beholder. Yeah Polyana is fugly as (that must be unanimous) but that Toxic one is great IMO - well laid out, well organized, east to navigate and I like the colors.

Whereas Fabfilter give me migraines. I just cannot work with them. Simply nasty in every aspect. Colour, 1D, toy like, dials within dials, but I know some here love them...it shocks me that I didn't know just how many people must be colour blind.

MogwaiBoy
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4371 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Post Sun May 22, 2022 2:36 pm

ghettosynth wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 7:10 pm Image

Those knobs, gah!
:-o

sick - in my mouth.

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