Syntronik 2 Discussions

[releasefromwithin]

I've opened multi's in ST4 that didn't have all the presets and it just dropped the ones that were missing. It still loads the ones you have.

Yea, it's not ideal, but it gives the users a MUCH better idea of what can be done using Multi's than not having them in there.

[zzz00m]

When you loaded the Syntronik Multi into Sampletank 4 did you notice the midi channel assignments were incorrect? Here if I load a Syn 1 or 2 Multi in ST4, instead of all the layers being set to midi channel 1 (which is the way I set them because I want the instruments layered, not played on different tracks), the ST4 layer midi channels are set to 1,2,3,4, etc.

For me, the multi loaded with sequential MIDI channels assigned to the parts in the default ST4 multitimbral setup. I had to manually switch to channel 1 on the 2nd part.

Speculation: I think this may result from Syntronik not being multitimbral (just layered), so likely not passing any MIDI channel info on to override the SampleTank 4 default multi preset.

[Teksonik]

It works for me. Maybe something didn't installed correctly on your machine?

Ok thanks. It's possible that there was an error with the installers. I can run them again to see what happens.

EDIT: Did you have Syntronik 1 installed before or is Syntronik 2 a new install for you?

I've opened multi's in ST4 that didn't have all the presets and it just dropped the ones that were missing. It still loads the ones you have.
Yea, it's not ideal, but it gives the users a MUCH better idea of what can be done using Multi's than not having them in there.

The point is a Multi that doesn't load all its parts is like a preset that doesn't load all it's samples.

It's not going to sound as it was intended by the original sound designer.

[Teksonik]

When you loaded the Syntronik Multi into Sampletank 4 did you notice the midi channel assignments were incorrect? Here if I load a Syn 1 or 2 Multi in ST4, instead of all the layers being set to midi channel 1 (which is the way I set them because I want the instruments layered, not played on different tracks), the ST4 layer midi channels are set to 1,2,3,4, etc.

For me, the multi loaded with sequential MIDI channels assigned to the parts in the default ST4 multitimbral setup. I had to manually switch to channel 1 on the 2nd part.

Speculation: I think this may result from Syntronik not being multitimbral (just layered), so likely not passing any MIDI channel info on to override the SampleTank 4 default multi preset.

Ok thanks for confirming. Yes if you load a Multi that has five layers all set to channel 1 you have to manually change four of them from 2,3,4,5 back to channel 1.

To me it's just another bug. No reason why the midi channel information shouldn't be loaded along with everything else otherwise allowing import is pointless.

There is also another issue where Multi's are loaded but the Arps are turned off. The Arp/Seq data is still there but the Arps are just turned off so of course that multi just won't load properly.

I'll have to check again if that affects S1 Multis loaded into S2 or ST4 as I don't remember at the moment.

[Steve W]

So the answer is "no" then. Buying in twice to secure all 33 synths does NOT open access to the Multis. ONLY a Group Buy overall tally of 3k will open access to the Multis.

The answer is only no if the group buy does not reach the top tier. That has always been the case since I've mentioned the multis will be included. Once the group buy reaches 3,000 participants, those 3,000 participants get the multis. I am sorry if that was unclear.

How big of a deal is getting the multis? I mean, how many are we talking about here? A couple dozen? Fifty?

[jeffn1]

To me the bigger issue is getting all the synths.

I think its a nice bonus for people who already have all the synths.

Jeff

[zzz00m]

So the answer is "no" then. Buying in twice to secure all 33 synths does NOT open access to the Multis. ONLY a Group Buy overall tally of 3k will open access to the Multis.

The answer is only no if the group buy does not reach the top tier. That has always been the case since I've mentioned the multis will be included. Once the group buy reaches 3,000 participants, those 3,000 participants get the multis. I am sorry if that was unclear.

How big of a deal is getting the multis? I mean, how many are we talking about here? A couple dozen? Fifty?

If it's anything like Syntronik 1, there should be a few hundred factory multis, in various categories such as Bass, Beat, Groove, Groove Splits, Keyboard, Lead, Motion, and Pad.

Guessing that Syn2 would probably recycle a lot of the Syn 1 multis, as a majority of the Syn 1 presets are exactly the same in the original 22 instruments. The advantage would be with incorporating them with some of the new Syn 2 exclusive presets with the all new wave sets.

[Teksonik]

There is also another issue where Multi's are loaded but the Arps are turned off. The Arp/Seq data is still there but the Arps are just turned off so of course that multi just won't load properly.

Ok I just tested again and my old Syntronik 1 Multis that have Arps enabled will not load properly into Syntronik 2.

The Arp data is still there but the Arps are turned off creating the need to manually turn each one of them on.

Also the Multi browser in Syn 1 shows 122 entries here at a single glance in four columns and I imagine it would add another column if more multis are added.

That makes finding and choosing a Multi very fast and easy.

In Syntronik 2 the Multi Browser opens as a signal vertical column which only shows 30 presets at a time which creates the need to scroll down to reach a Multi more than 30 deep in the list....every time you open it.

Load a Multi 100 deep in the list. Want to load Multi 101? Scroll back down again.....every time.

These are the design decisions that just boggle my mind.

[releasefromwithin]

It works for me. Maybe something didn't installed correctly on your machine?

Ok thanks. It's possible that there was an error with the installers. I can run them again to see what happens.

EDIT: Did you have Syntronik 1 installed before or is Syntronik 2 a new install for you?

I did (Syn1 Deluxe from the previous Group Buy), but when I picked up Syn 2 SE I kinda combined the 2 libraries in a way that I can't remember what I did. Sorry!

[Teksonik]

It works for me. Maybe something didn't installed correctly on your machine?

Ok thanks. It's possible that there was an error with the installers. I can run them again to see what happens.

Ok I've run the installers again and reauthorized again with the same result. The Preset "Vicious Submergence" triggers the "imported library is not authorized" message shown one page back.

That preset is contained in the Polymorph Update installer file along with 5 other presets. All five of those other presets load fine so no telling what's going on.

I downloaded the install file and ran it again....same result.

Did you use the install files or the Product Manager?

Oh well it's only one preset.

[releasefromwithin]

Did you use the install files or the Product Manager?

Product Manager. Oh man, sorry you're still having problems.

[jdoo]

Sorry youre seeing issues still Tek. Something is honked up in your implementation?? I am able to bring up Vicious Submergence without any errors here. Also a ST1 user.. and I've moved ST1 and ST2 stuff all around my drives. I've definitely fought through bugs, and have installed, re-installed, then very specifically... installed instruments, to get around issues. None of that should be necessary... but persistence... paid off for me (so far).

[DarkStar]

Latest from the Group Buy:
25 May: 2,437 = 26 bonus synths
Forecast: 2,843 = 30 bonus synths
SIX days left

[Teksonik]

Did you use the install files or the Product Manager?

Product Manager. Oh man, sorry you're still having problems.

I see, thanks. Then it must be something with the individual installation file. I don't see any difference between the one preset that causes the error message and the five that are installed at the same time which don't. They're all installed in the same manner, are the same format and relative size.

But again it's only one preset so no big deal, just another one of the quirks I've encountered.

Sorry youre seeing issues still Tek. Something is honked up in your implementation??

Yes I'm sure that's it. I used the individual installation files which should work without having to manually change paths instead of the Product Manager. My studio system is on WiFi and in a different room than the router so it's just faster to download them on this system which has a wired connection and move the files over and install them. There must be something wrong with that particular installation file since there is really no room for user error when all we do is click "continue, agree, continue, install".

Also a ST1 user.. and I've moved ST1 and ST2 stuff all around my drives. I've definitely fought through bugs, and have installed, re-installed, then very specifically... installed instruments, to get around issues. None of that should be necessary... but persistence... paid off for me (so far).

That's the point I tried unsuccessfully to get across to support. It should not be necessary for the end user to move files around to fix errors caused when their installation files get confused.

I'm convinced that it has to do with what IK stuff we have installed, in what order, and over what period of time. I've had Syntronik 1 and Sampletank 3 installed for years and now Syntronik 2 and Sampletank 4 CS. Again I think the installers just get confused and they shouldn't otherwise they're pointless if they cause problems the end user must manually fix.

Those who are new to IK software and only have Syntronik 2 installed should have no problems.

Just renaming and saving certain presets should not cause those presets to look for their sample content in a different location. That makes no sense and to me is a bug.

Anyway despite all the quirks and issues, I'm still having fun with Syntronik 2.

We're at 57 to the next freebie with 6 days left so unless there is a last minute surge I don't think we'll make 3000. I think one or two more freebies and that will mean we're only missing 4 or 5 of the 33 and I'll be happy with that. I've already picked 5 that I can live without.

[jeffn1]

I still suspect they will find a way to get to the finish line. I read some post that based on the Group Buy, 30 free synths are projected (so that would mean 31 total). I suspect if they get to that, they will extend it another final two weeks to get to 3000.

But in case we run short, I think about a list or synths to take a pass on.

I think the string machine is not something that is to necessary. I don't think you need many (cheesy?) synthesized string sounds. My hardware synth probably takes care of this. (At the time, I think these were manufactured to try to emulate real strings). So, I think the String Box would be near the top two to take a pass on, if necessary.

So, my question is The Bully. For the most past, shouldn't almost everything be available on the other Moog synths? My impression is the big feature of these instruments was the physical pedal form (allowing Geddy Lee to keep his hands on his bass), but they were pretty much (somewhat low frequency-oriented) versions of Moog synthesizers which are taken care of by other Syntronik synths.(?)