UVI go subscription!

[ghettosynth]

But... I think the subscription is in addtion to perpertual licenses. I have no issue with a company offering a sub along-side perpertual licenses (WITH NO NFR). Why is offering a sub along with perp licenses a bad thing? Subs are a better option for certain customers.

Because the temptation is there to convert those perpetual license owners who don't upgrade to subscription customers. Some people who defend subscriptions often say "point out the companies that stopped offering perpetual licenses." Well, we have several examples of that. Someone let me know when Adobe starts selling perpetual licenses again.

[exmatproton]

But... I think the subscription is in addtion to perpertual licenses. I have no issue with a company offering a sub along-side perpertual licenses (WITH NO NFR). Why is offering a sub along with perp licenses a bad thing? Subs are a better option for certain customers.

Because the temptation is there to convert those perpetual license owners who don't upgrade to subscription customers. Some people who defend subscriptions often say "point out the companies that stopped offering perpetual licenses." Well, we have several examples of that. Someone let me know when Adobe starts selling perpetual licenses again.

although a couple of those companies stopped selling perp.licenses, most of them added it as an extra way of using their software. Not to defend this, but i don't think it is so bad a.t.m. (with music software companies)

I'd rather see rent-to-own. I dont like how society turns into a complete shitfest of renting stuff, on all levels.

[ghettosynth]

But... I think the subscription is in addtion to perpertual licenses. I have no issue with a company offering a sub along-side perpertual licenses (WITH NO NFR). Why is offering a sub along with perp licenses a bad thing? Subs are a better option for certain customers.

Because the temptation is there to convert those perpetual license owners who don't upgrade to subscription customers. Some people who defend subscriptions often say "point out the companies that stopped offering perpetual licenses." Well, we have several examples of that. Someone let me know when Adobe starts selling perpetual licenses again.

although a couple of those companies stopped selling perp.licenses, most of them added it as an extra way of using their software. Not to defend this, but i don't think it is so bad a.t.m. (with music software companies)

Agreed, but, the question was "why is offering a sub along with perp licenses a bad thing?" As I've pointed out in other threads, right now, we're the frog in the nice body temp water with several choices of Lilly pad. As things heat up and corporations get greedy, ok, wait, they're already greedy, our preferred pad will dissolve away as that temptation will find its way to the product offerings.

I'd rather see rent-to-own. I dont like how society turns into a complete shitfest of renting stuff, on all levels.

And that's the problem with subscriptions.

[nightjar]

Subscription is just another way to experience the UVI portfolio.
We still support perpetual licence and there are no reason to remove it.

Subscription fit some people but not everyone and we understand that.

Thumbs up for now offering a subscription service. Great option for many people!

[otristan]

System requirement says 285GB of free disk space.

Sonic Pass is actually 600 GB
285 GB is "only" Vintage Vault 4

[collider]

I will never sign up to any subscription model to use any tools. Never.

[nightjar]

I will never sign up to any subscription model to use any tools. Never.

But there are plenty of others that will.

To each their own.

[SoftSynthLover99]

Shout out to UVI, because this is what Komplete Now should have been. For $240 a year (which doesn’t even get you VV4) you get everything UVI makes (effects and instruments) including new releases? Sign me up please.

Also, a perpetual license doesn’t mean you “own” the software. You just have a license to use it. So if a company decides to sell itself (Camel Audio for example) what good is your perpetual license?

With OS updates every year or 2 and so much that goes into updating software, I’m not opposed to subscriptions as a professional. But it absolutely needs to be everything a company offers if it’s gonna be worth it for the user.

Sonicpass is IMO the way a subscription should be. No tiers, no gold or platinum levels. Just everything the company offers at a reasonable price. Well done UVI

[ghettosynth]

Shout out to UVI, because this is what Komplete Now should have been. For $240 a year (which doesn’t even get you VV4) you get everything UVI makes (effects and instruments) including new releases? Sign me up please.

Also, a perpetual license doesn’t mean you “own” the software. You just have a license to use it. So if a company decides to sell itself (Camel Audio for example) what good is your perpetual license?

With OS updates every year or 2 and so much that goes into updating software, I’m not opposed to subscriptions as a professional. But it absolutely needs to be everything a company offers if it’s gonna be worth it for the user.

Sonicpass is IMO the way a subscription should be. No tiers, no gold or platinum levels. Just everything the company offers at a reasonable price. Well done UVI

If you like it great, but, I really hate these terrible false comparisons.

If a company sells itself and you have a perpetual license then you often have that perpetual license of as long as the software works. So, you get some additional use out of your purchased software. I might be wrong, but I think that Camel Audio plugins still work in Windows for those who purchased licenses.

If you have a subscription and a company sells itself then you have nothing.

This is always a risk with software and it doesn't happen often enough to get all bent out of shape over it. There's not really an advantage to a subscription other than you may have less invested. There's a big emphasis on may, however. You will still be spending a big chunk of change over a few years time and without a subscription it's unlikely that you would have purchased the entire catalog.

This is, however, why I do care about the health of a company before I give them money, with lower risk for companies that use either iLok or pure serial/keyfile licensing. If you use C/R, you can just f**k right off unless you're worth millions or more.

I'm fairly certain that the focus will shift on subscriptions at some point and vendors will be forced to offer even better deals to lock you into longer term subscriptions. There is already a shift in attitude with video content providers in that people are switching to a model where they hop from one provider to another. I will be dropping Apple TV+ in a couple of weeks and waiting until they release new seasons of the shows that I want. At that point I will subscribe for a month, binge watch them, and then drop them again. Instead I'll pick up Disney and binge watch the Star Wars spinoffs and then drop them until there's something else that I want to watch.

[PieBerger]

How many years have plugin subs been around now and how many developers have stopped selling perpetual licenses as a result? In this same period, how many developers who only sold perpetual licenses have ceased trading, leaving products in limbo and vulnerable to redundancy? I'd wager more developers have gone under then those who have stopped selling perpetual licenses altogether, so perhaps it's time to end the drama whenever a new company announces a subscription option.

[GoldieK]

UVI can do no wrong in my eyes ever again after the deal they offered Pro Tools users for Falcon. I like the idea of the subscription personally, if only to be able to use a number of the Instruments and Effects to see if I would purchase them or not. For individuals who own nothing from UVI, 24 bucks to experience the quality and excellence of the products is a great deal. I would have no interest in a annual subscription, but I'm sure many will.

[DJ Warmonger]

Well, I didn't buy any UVI product just for the fact they are protected with iLok. And it was the right decision.

[DNnX]

System requirement says 285GB of free disk space.

Sonic Pass is actually 600 GB
285 GB is "only" Vintage Vault 4

Thank you! 600GB is huge for sure.
If it's possible to download content before redeeming (starting?) subscription license, that should be nice for short term subscriber.

Another my wish is cheaper subs course, something like Synth Subs, Acoustic Subs, Falcon only Subs.
I subscribed EastWest Composer Cloud from time to time but it's really hard for me to test all sound.

[lotus2035]

You will own nothing and be happy.

Regards,

WEF

"We will own everything and be f**king miserable" - WEF

[mcbpete]

The newsletter today shows they're definitely aware of the subscription concerns:

We also know many people still prefer permanent licenses and we will continue to offer them.
You simply have more options to interact with and explore our products.