Kilohearts Updates the Entire Kilohearts Ecosystem to v2 - Including Phase Plant

[concon]

i can understand the mixed feelings about this step, i myself am pretty new to the KHS ecosystem, had my eye on Phase Plant a long time, but i make my own presets, so....

it depends also if you are new or an 'old' customer... but the bundle is still $399, well if you don't own any premium plugins, or Phase Plant, etc.

the Slice EQ and Care EQ were the first Snap Ins i bought, second hand, for very low prices, $9 each, it could have been even lower. only 2 or 3 weeks ago, or so...

i thought that is the first and easy step, to slowly build up.... but V2 landed and a new approach... luckily, or it doesn't really matter, does it? make a sentence, now; it are premium snap ins i bought...

so i can now enough effects, per voice + MPE!...

yes i bought Phase Plant, after demoing it, the V2 version, never demoed it before. and you get a voucher, so the Concolver seemed to me the best one....

first impression of Phase Plant V2; i really wanted it as a FM/PM synth, audiorate, f'em is great, but it is limited, for current possibilities.

and yes, it, well it is not unexpected, because of the name, excellent audio rate features... great modulations....

could i do it with other soft synths i have, yes... but still, the easy approach, the different workflow will lead to different results, also of course the character of the synth itself (i think mainly determined by the modulation options and the effects, you don't see it often per voice effects..).

i could do it with other stuff, but this is hands on, for a special purpose, MSoundFactory for instance, lacks some features, that Phase Plant has, but is great, for an extensive, experimental sonic cosmos....

as Phase Plant is in its own right...

MPE features i will discover, well that is easy, but how to route, for great patches... i mean not the features, but the possibility of MPE.... well the features are there; note on/off velocity, pressure, timbre.

but it can growl, it can be deep, it can be deranged. it can create evolving (in)harmonically rich sounds... well... what is not to like...

i believe it is not strange to see Phase Plant as a FM/PM synth.... everything can be an operator, and free routing of the modulator(s)/carrier(s).
it certainly more, that is also the attraction.

EDIT: it has AM/FM/PM at audiorate, AM at audiorate is a bit forgotten, it seems, but is great (it has an overlap with Ring Modulation...).

This is a really good summary! Thank you.

[zzz00m]

I spoke with Kilohearts themselves today so at least a resolution has been achieved . And it's gone a long way with me.

I recommend this approach. Kilohearts deemed my kHs Snapin purchases earlier this year close enough to the grace period to send me a voucher code to use towards more stuff! I'm satisfied!

[chagzuki]

New modulation improvements are very cool, update seems very good so far. Phase Plant is awesome.

The snapheap and multipass environments are outrageously useful.

[fudgewastaken]

If I load a Sampler in Phase Plant and then search for a sample in the search bar, I get a massive CPU spike and my DAW (Reason 10) crashes. Anybody using a different DAW run into the same issue?

[zzz00m]

If I load a Sampler in Phase Plant and then search for a sample in the search bar, I get a massive CPU spike and my DAW (Reason 10) crashes. Anybody using a different DAW run into the same issue?

I'm seeing a CPU spike in Reaper when I search for a sample from the search bar, but no crash.

Using Windows Task Manager I can see that Microsoft Defender is kicking in to high gear whenever I do that search, but it returns to normal CPU usage after the search results are listed.

[Alexander137]

Probably already asked a hundred times, but: is it planned to support mts esp?

[Vranq]

I have downloaded the trial and cannot find out how to use MPE. I have only found the "Timbre" feature yet. Not being able to create or customize sounds in a way that every voice gets it own midi channel makes MPE quite worthless for me. Is there somewhere a tutorial regarding MPE available?

[WasteLand]

I have downloaded the trial and cannot find out how to use MPE. I have only found the "Timbre" feature yet. Not being able to create or customize sounds in a way that every voice gets it own midi channel makes MPE quite worthless for me. Is there somewhere a tutorial regarding MPE available?

there is no manual for V2 yet.

but it is fully MPE capable; Timbre, indeed. and "Pressure". pitchbend set it to 48. pitchbend is no modulation source (which indeed is not MPE spec, but sometimes it is a modulation source).

not MPE spec, but many MPE controllers have it; release velocity; the "Velocity" modulator; set it to "release", on of course you can use "strike"; note on velocity. per channel.

[Vranq]

Thanks for reply but I still doesn't have the least idea how to get notes played on separate channels so that pitch bend for example only effects one (last played) note and not all notes. I'm glad I hesitated to buy it and installed the trial version instead. Phase Plant sounds great but in terms of MPE even Surge XT seems far superior to me. Maybe because I would have to learn more about Phase Plant but my time is limited and without offering a proper manual I won't ever spent $200 or even a reduced price of $100 for a piece of software.

[WasteLand]

Thanks for reply but I still doesn't have the least idea how to get notes played on separate channels so that pitch bend for example only effects one (last played) note and not all notes. I'm glad I hesitated to buy it and installed the trial version instead. Phase Plant sounds great but in terms of MPE even Surge XT seems far superior to me. Maybe because I would have to learn more about Phase Plant but my time is limited and without offering a proper manual I won't ever spent $200 or even a reduced price of $100 for a piece of software.

like for example MSoundFactory or DaweSome Abyss, there is no special MPE mode, it reacts to MPE as it should.
i do use MPE, i make my own presets, MPE presets, and they work as expected.

indeed there is no manual for V2 yet. also no information from KHS about V2, and MPE.

so it reacts to 16 channels... when you have your controller set to the 'default' lower zone, channel 1, 2-16 member channels.

[jules99]

Thanks for reply but I still doesn't have the least idea how to get notes played on separate channels so that pitch bend for example only effects one (last played) note and not all notes. I'm glad I hesitated to buy it and installed the trial version instead. Phase Plant sounds great but in terms of MPE even Surge XT seems far superior to me. Maybe because I would have to learn more about Phase Plant but my time is limited and without offering a proper manual I won't ever spent $200 or even a reduced price of $100 for a piece of software.

This will never make sense to me. These impulsive rants so many make when they don't IMMEDIATELY understand a new plugin or function and draw conclusions from that. Every time a new plugin is released, someone rants about how this or that does now work like in this or that favorite plugin and how they would never pay this amount of money.

For MPE to "work", you at least need an MPE-ready DAW. You do not even need an MPE-controller like a Seaboard or a Morph. To get an MPE-modulation, draw in MIDI notes, a three- or four-voiced chord.

Then, depending on your DAW, you can draw in MPE modulation in the clip. Pitchbend curves for every note should immediately be audible when you play it. Audible results for curves for "Pressure" and "MPE Timbre" (might be called "Slide" within your DAW) depend on what they modulate within Phase Plant.

[Vranq]

It would be much easier to understand a "new plugin" if there was a manual that explains the functions and how to use them. I have a Linnstrument and want to play with MPE control so that I can add modulation and/or pitch bend to separate notes. I am not certain if I understand you correctly but it sounds to me as if this is not possible to use Phase Plant this way.

Cubase Pro 12 is my DAW and I have no problems using MPE with other plugins but I have to admit that I am not yet very experienced regarding MPE. But I have simply no understanding for software that I have to explore myself, especially if it is rather complicated.

[WasteLand]

It would be much easier to understand a "new plugin" if there was a manual that explains the functions and how to use them. I have a Linnstrument and want to play with MPE control so that I can add modulation and/or pitch bend to separate notes. I am not certain if I understand you correctly but it sounds to me as if this is not possible to use Phase Plant this way.

Cubase Pro 12 is my DAW and I have no problems using MPE with other plugins but I have to admit that I am not yet very experienced regarding MPE. But I have simply no understanding for software that I have to explore myself, especially if it is rather complicated.

it will work. in Cubase. with set to Any, or 1; with Note Expression.

Any, is the first, to experiment with if it works.

but it will certainly work, if you set you Linnstrument; 1 manager/global channel or Lower Zone (3 terms that define the same thing) set to channel 1, and channel 2-16...

in the demo, you must see that it works.

Pitchbend is to your discretion of course, 48, is the MPE standard, but you can set it the way you like.

i can confirm that MPE works with Phase Plant V2.

and i certainly can understand that you want explore it yourself, there aren't any real MPE presets i think, well, i don't use presets, i have made some MPE patches, the first try outs. some are already in use.

perhaps you can contact support, of KHS? or Roger Linn, has Phase Plant V2 on the list of MPE synths, and is also present on a subforum here on KVR.

well... it is quite strange that MPE has no real attention, just like with the Arturia plugins, it will get attention, eventually. and i can understand that i makes you uneasy...

[Vranq]

it will work. in Cubase. with set to Any, or 1; with Note Expression.

Any, is the first, to experiment with if it works.

but it will certainly work, if you set you Linnstrument; 1 manager/global channel or Lower Zone (3 terms that define the same thing) set to channel 1, and channel 2-16...

Thanks, this solved my problems. I have to set the track to channel 1 and to use the "Linnstrument MIDI (NoteExp)" input to make it work. Didn't expect this since other Synth Plugins want to use any channel and the non-(NoteExp) Linnstrument input. Confusing.

Again, thanks. I think I will buy this Plugin now.

Edit: But now MPE Timbre doesn't work. It works only with midi channel set to 2-16 or "any" but not on channel 1. But then the pitch bend doesn't work per note anymore.

Any suggestions?

Edit 2: Ok, this issue seems to be Cubase related because it happens with other plugins too. Best MPE experience so far: Surge XT

[WasteLand]

it will work. in Cubase. with set to Any, or 1; with Note Expression.

Any, is the first, to experiment with if it works.

but it will certainly work, if you set you Linnstrument; 1 manager/global channel or Lower Zone (3 terms that define the same thing) set to channel 1, and channel 2-16...

Thanks, this solved my problems. I have to set the track to channel 1 and to use the "Linnstrument MIDI (NoteExp)" input to make it work. Didn't expect this since other Synth Plugins want to use any channel and the non-(NoteExp) Linnstrument input. Confusing.

Again, thanks. I think I will buy this Plugin now.

Edit: But now MPE Timbre doesn't work. It works only with midi channel set to 2-16 or "any" but not on channel 1. But then the pitch bend doesn't work per note anymore.

Any suggestions?

Edit 2: Ok, this issue seems to be Cubase related because it happens with other plugins too. Best MPE experience so far: Surge XT

i don't own a Linnstrument, so do not know the specifics of that controller.

i do have Cubase, but didn't use Phase Plant in it yet, but when set to 'any', the behavior is always the same as in Reaper. at this moment not in my studio, only have a subset available now..

i have Roli MPE controllers.

perhaps a setting in Linnstrument? the 'app'?

in note expression you have to setup CC74 (and pitchbend?).

as i already said, there is a Roger Linn Forum Thread, here on KVR, perhaps it is a better place to ask.

it depends on what you have got, and what you want, always personal, the choice of a synth, but MPE + Phase Plant V2, quite impressive.. per voice effects...