Arturia V Collection 9 - Official Thread

[EnGee]

Yes! Once, Urs (U-he) explained it to me in an old thread. In short, if the coder hasn't applied oversampling, then you can do nothing to minimize the aliasing. At least this is what I understood!

That is incorrect. If the plugin allows you to work with it at high sample rates, the aliasing will never happen (provided that YOU do the oversampling AND filtering.. or use a 3rd party or DAW solution that does it for you).

But if the aliasing happens inside the plugin due to crazy modulation that introduced aliasing. Now, you have an audio signal that has aliasing. How can you prevent it? You don't have an option to set oversampling in the plugin, neither you can disable any component necessary for the resulted aliasing signal. What can you do?
Unless, you can put the oversampling before the signal route, how can the oversampling be useful?

Anyway, thank you for the explanation. I need to read it again and read more about the DDMF metaplugin, because I read it can oversample when you put in the signal routes, but didn't read it can interfere with the internal signals of a synth for example.

[briefcasemanx]

Seems like lots of people are ignoring the new Prophet emulation because Repro-5 exists. I didn't even check it out until today because I just assumed it wouldn't be useful since I own Repro-5, and many people were downplaying the arturia emulation. The new Arturia emulation is actually really good! It doesn't sound like Repro and probably isn't as good an emulation, but it's very, very musical. The way notes combine within chords, the way the attack sounds and how you get a little spritz of high end, the way oscillators combine. So far I think it's pretty awesome and I'll definitely be using it a lot, alongside Repro!

[sacer]

A Preset Converter like from V4 to V5 would be realy nice, to import Jup-v3, Cs80-V3 and Prophet-V3 Presets into V9 Collection.....

[rezoneight]

Seems like lots of people are ignoring the new Prophet emulation because Repro-5 exists. I didn't even check it out until today because I just assumed it wouldn't be useful since I own Repro-5, and many people were downplaying the arturia emulation. The new Arturia emulation is actually really good! It doesn't sound like Repro and probably isn't as good an emulation, but it's very, very musical. The way notes combine within chords, the way the attack sounds and how you get a little spritz of high end, the way oscillators combine. So far I think it's pretty awesome and I'll definitely be using it a lot, alongside Repro!

Pretty sure they model different revs of the Prophet-5 anyhow. Arturia's is a rev2 Prophet.

[groumpf]

If someone from Arturia could answer, I see a countdown in the V collection page once connected so I'm wondering if the upgrade price of 199€ will raise when the countdown will expire.

[jamcat]

Arturia has made it clear that countdown if for the introductory pricing. June 5th is the last day of the discount.

[nachenko]

But if the aliasing happens inside the plugin due to crazy modulation that introduced aliasing. Now, you have an audio signal that has aliasing. How can you prevent it? You don't have an option to set oversampling in the plugin, neither you can disable any component necessary for the resulted aliasing signal. What can you do?
Unless, you can put the oversampling before the signal route, how can the oversampling be useful?

This information may be useful to you: some DAWs, such as Reaper, can "enforce" some plugins into oversampling. If a plug-in can work at a higher sample rate, Reaper can make it work that way, and deal with the different sample rates in an effect chain automatically. It just works.

https://melodiefabriek.com/sound-tech/o ... on-reaper/

[WasteLand]

But if the aliasing happens inside the plugin due to crazy modulation that introduced aliasing. Now, you have an audio signal that has aliasing. How can you prevent it? You don't have an option to set oversampling in the plugin, neither you can disable any component necessary for the resulted aliasing signal. What can you do?
Unless, you can put the oversampling before the signal route, how can the oversampling be useful?

This information may be useful to you: some DAWs, such as Reaper, can "enforce" some plugins into oversampling. If a plug-in can work at a higher sample rate, Reaper can make it work that way, and deal with the different sample rates in an effect chain automatically. It just works.

https://melodiefabriek.com/sound-tech/o ... on-reaper/

and when one has not Reaper; Kushview Element does also oversampling;

https://kushview.net/

[Echoes in the Attic]

Has anyone noticed that the Slide expression seems to only modulate negatively? I was trying some of the new instruments in Bitwig on the screen grid keyboard which can modulate slide, and it only modulated the parameter in the downwards direction. For example applying slide to modulate filter cutoff would do nothing upwards, but darken the filter pulling down. The bitwig grid send bi-polar modulation of slide, so I'm not sure why the Arturia synths aren't interpreting this correctly?

Edit: Actually I was wrong. It modulates both ways, however I think it interprets the initial CC74 message of 64 as +64, rather than no modulation, which is better for bi-polar. There multiple ways to set the instruments up. Which is that intial strike is 0 and you get +128 either direction, or the intial strike is 64, and you get positive upwards and negative downwards. Would be nice if Arturia had a mode for bi-polar, with 64 as no modulation. Unless I missed a setting.

[EnGee]

But if the aliasing happens inside the plugin due to crazy modulation that introduced aliasing. Now, you have an audio signal that has aliasing. How can you prevent it? You don't have an option to set oversampling in the plugin, neither you can disable any component necessary for the resulted aliasing signal. What can you do?
Unless, you can put the oversampling before the signal route, how can the oversampling be useful?

This information may be useful to you: some DAWs, such as Reaper, can "enforce" some plugins into oversampling. If a plug-in can work at a higher sample rate, Reaper can make it work that way, and deal with the different sample rates in an effect chain automatically. It just works.

https://melodiefabriek.com/sound-tech/o ... on-reaper/

Thank you I'm watching the video of Dan Worrall now

I have a license of Reaper 6 thought to sell it, but things didn't go well. It is time to install it and see how far I can go with its workflow which I don't like. Anyway I might purchase Metaplugin instead. I will try the demo first and hear the differences. I think it would be more useful with old plugins (which I have like FM8, Massive and Absynth ... etc.) as most new plugins have oversampling options or they just run at 2x or more.

and when one has not Reaper; Kushview Element does also oversampling;

https://kushview.net/

Thanks, but DDMF Metaplugin is cheaper at $49, so I might go with that

[EnGee]

Well, after spending sometime with Metaplugin and Reaper testing some of my plugins including Arturia's ones. I've decided not to bother! The old plugins don't support more than 2x oversampling and in the new ones I don't hear any difference!
Ok! I'm old so I might not hear the differences especially in high frequencies. There might be some very subtle difference but IMO it doesn't worth it as it doesn't appear to my old ears like day and night! I mean I doubt I will mind any aliasing if it is that subtle!

I believe now that re-writing an audio engine (code) for an old synth involves much more than just oversampling So, I really hope that Arturia will do the same next version and re-write Modular, ARP2600 and some others maybe. That would worth the upgrade price much more than introducing new synths.

Back to my my wonderful music making world (Bitwig and Live) leaving Reaper just for technical testing

[Fleer]

Seems like lots of people are ignoring the new Prophet emulation because Repro-5 exists. I didn't even check it out until today because I just assumed it wouldn't be useful since I own Repro-5, and many people were downplaying the arturia emulation. The new Arturia emulation is actually really good! It doesn't sound like Repro and probably isn't as good an emulation, but it's very, very musical. The way notes combine within chords, the way the attack sounds and how you get a little spritz of high end, the way oscillators combine. So far I think it's pretty awesome and I'll definitely be using it a lot, alongside Repro!

And check out their Prophet VS while you’re at it. Even import your own samples.

[Tj Shredder]

and when one has not Reaper; Kushview Element does also oversampling;

https://kushview.net/

Thanks, but DDMF Metaplugin is cheaper at $49, so I might go with that

But Element is free software… You would have to build it yourself though…

[EnGee]

and when one has not Reaper; Kushview Element does also oversampling;

https://kushview.net/

Thanks, but DDMF Metaplugin is cheaper at $49, so I might go with that

But Element is free software… You would have to build it yourself though…

It says $79 on their website. Anyway, I don't need an oversampling solution. I'm fine with the little aliasing
I might sell my DeepMind12D as I don't see a reason to keep it when synths like Jun-6 and Jup-8 can do the job easier and more convenient.

[WasteLand]

and when one has not Reaper; Kushview Element does also oversampling;

https://kushview.net/

Thanks, but DDMF Metaplugin is cheaper at $49, so I might go with that

But Element is free software… You would have to build it yourself though…

It says $79 on their website. Anyway, I don't need an oversampling solution. I'm fine with the little aliasing
I might sell my DeepMind12D as I don't see a reason to keep it when synths like Jun-6 and Jup-8 can do the job easier and more convenient.

it is $5 at this moment, Kushview Element, sometimes $3... that gets you the current version.. a pre-build, i.e. a full installer.
only, made this post, because there is confusing, and if someone wants oversampling for cheap, and many other possibilities with Element..