Confession: I can't use ugly plugins.

[ghettosynth]

Who remembers Ohm Force plugins? It just came to my mind.

They often had two interfaces: 'artistic' - where parameters blended well with the background and labels couldn't be more cryptic and 'classic' - easier for the eye, could be called also 'normal interface'.
Besides GUIs, their plugins were great.

I suppose you could call this artistic, I'd chose another word, trainwreck?



Reminds me of a few completely irritating Reaktor plugins. I think that there's even one in the standard library. I'll go look and see if I can find it.

[_leras]

I tried to reply this to a later post but it wasn't there:

I've not mentioned countries and definitely didn't want to be drawn into politics. I also feel for you that as a creative maker of tools for music, that you get caught in up in any backlash for something you have no responsibility for or control over.

I removed my other posts as I didn't think they were as constructive as I'd like them to be.

We've all got opinions, so who am I to say to you e.g. you're not in a position to comment on SSL plug ins. Apologies, as that was actually quite rude. After all you make GUIs, whilst I only use them. This type of comment was below the standard that I try to hold myself to.

I do hope you keep making great tools and continue to improve them both sonically and visually. I do like the tools I have of yours, especially Elephant which I use and get great results from on every mix.


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Ok so your post wasnt there, all the political posts were deleted and you still have to comment? I am going to the store for groceries, because hints dont get picked up on to make the point more clear I am locking this...I will indeed unlock it...political talk will be a quick path to a suspension...just dont, dont even hint at it.

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[ghettosynth]

This thing...

[jamcat]

Who remembers Ohm Force plugins? It just came to my mind.

They often had two interfaces: 'artistic' - where parameters blended well with the background and labels couldn't be more cryptic and 'classic' - easier for the eye, could be called also 'normal interface'.
Besides GUIs, their plugins were great.

Yeah, Ohmforce GUIs inspired actual anger in me every time I saw them. They originally only had the idiotic ones. It's no surprise to me that the company is such a shitshow today. I've never clicked with u-he either, and I realise now it's because way back in the day, Triple Cheese reminded me of Fromage too much, and I just can't take that kind of muppetry seriously.

[Lazarus451]

On the other hand Ohm Force made Oddity with GForce and it still sounds incredible. I have Oddity2 and those pads are great... Ohmboyz was a classic too but maybe irrelevant today.

[jamcat]

Hate to break up your one-man party here, but you're super wrong, _leras.

Here's the original OldskoolReverb GUI:



Here it is today:

And, it has the same "basic style" knobs with the weird ass parameter column, as I was saying. Look, people don't have to listen to other people's opinions, that's certainly their choice. But, they don't get to tell other people what their opinion is either. That "basic knob style" is what I'm talking about. It looks goofy to me.

This isn't a new thought and it isn't just a party of one.

https://forums.steinberg.net/t/voxengo-gui-ugly/618239

"Maybe they are afraid to revisit the looks because of good bussines?"

I'm going to be honest here, I don't want to talk to vendors about this, I wish that they would just butt out of these threads and let us chat about what WE think is ugly or not.

OK, so you were able to find someone on the internet who backed up your opinion. Wonders never cease!

Of course that thread is from 2012 when Voxengo plugins all actually looked different than they do today (at least the ones still being updated.) So I don't know if it can really be admitted into evidence.

Now for my personal opinion, I am not terribly impressed with Voxengo GUIs now or in the past, either. But, that is what Alexsy wants, and they're his plugins. I can only choose to be a customer or not.

I see it like criticising someone's music because you don't like their style, or their voice, or their inability to play chords. That's just what they make. If you don't like it, move on to music you do like. No point in telling them they suck and should make classical instead of EDM.

[ghettosynth]

OK, so you were able to find someone on the internet who backed up your opinion. Wonders never cease!

Of course that thread is from 2012 when Voxengo plugins all actually looked different than they do today (at least the ones still being updated.) So I don't know if it can really be admitted into evidence.

I only need one to prove that it's not a "party of one." So, QED.

Of course, if you weren't in denial then you'd know that it's a common perception of Voxengo, Melda as well.

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See the reddit post I linked above, both are mentioned.

But look, we're talking about other plugins, so stop stirring up shit.

[jamcat]

The "one-man party" was about _leras' solo mission on this thread to relentlessly bash Voxengo. But I see now he has a wingman.

Anyways, you ignored it, but I'm also not a huge fan of Voxengo GUIs. I'm just even less of a fan of beating a dead horse.

[ghettosynth]

Anyways, you ignored it, but I'm also not a huge fan of Voxengo GUIs. I'm just even less of a fan of beating a dead horse.

You owe me an irony meter.

[DJErmac]

Personally, this is my limit :

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This thing needs to sound absolutely awesome (and imho it does not) so I waste my time trying to understand how the hell one can use it. This is a fuc#in mess !!!

Is it some kind of game where you have to find the right button in the minimum amount of time or something ?!? Wtf is wrong with this hypnotic pattern of a synth where everything looks like everything ?!?

As long as everything seems usable to me, it’s perfectly OK. I have no problem with Voxengo plugins, they sound pristine and the GUI is very intuitive.

[BONES]

It looks OK to me. I can't see the labels for the knobs in your tiny image but the sections are all well lalbelled and tend to follow the signal path. It seems straightforward enough.

Well, those look like too much form for too little function for me.

That's because they're the macro pages of each instrument.There is plenty of fine control in the other GUI pages.

I'm a fan of klevgrand's style.

I look at that and have no idea what to do with it. If it didn't say what it was on the label, you wouldn't have a clue what to use it for. The only familiar control is Wet/Dry. I don' tmind thelookbut the usability is almost zero. OTOH the AD stuff is immediately usable for me. The modulation system isn't obvious but I managed to pop it up by mistake before I actually needed it so that wasn't a problem.

Those new NI libraries often have lots of empty space, like Straylight mentioned above. I know this one has parameters in other tabs. Just the 'front panel' is big and empty. When the option for bigger GUIs was introduced in Kontakt, their first libraries had only that 'front panel'. Later they added more tabs and parameters.
Still, the need to use tabs just because the front panel is a big empty picture is not the best design.

That's because they are macro pages, they show you controls you can use to create a perofrmance, once you've set everything up elsewhere. I'm not normally a fan of multi-page GUIs but, somehow, a lot of vendors seem to make it work quite well in Kontakt. The Heavyocity stuff, in particular, is really well thought-out.

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[ghettosynth]

It looks OK to me. I can't see the labels for the knobs in your tiny image but the sections are all well lalbelled and tend to follow the signal path. It seems straightforward enough.

Well, those look like too much form for too little function for me.

That's because they're the macro pages of each instrument.There is plenty of fine control in the other GUI pages.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I wasn't all that serious about this. I just knew that you'd disagree and we'd be back to talking about GUIs again. Thanks!

I'm a fan of klevgrand's style.

I look at that and have no idea what to do with it. If it didn't say what it was on the label, you wouldn't have a clue what to use it for. The only familiar control is Wet/Dry. I don' tmind thelookbut the usability is almost zero.

Yeah, no. You'd figure it out in about 3 seconds because it is incredibly intuitive. First, you wouldn't buy it if you didn't read the blurb about what it does, and that would be enough. But even if you just loaded it up on someone else's machine, as soon as you touch a dot with the mouse you'd get it. They control the delay and position of each of the delays, that's it.

[BONES]

I didn't see a feedbackcontrol, how do you control that? And what do the multiple random sliders do? They'r enot labelled.