Well, if you have standing waves at 40 Hz in your listening position, and smaller monitors simply won't, or hardly play back at such low frequency, then it's definitely size related.
It's especially an issue with the low frequencies, not so much with the high frequency, that's why I would recommend smaller speakers. You can do high frequency absorption pretty easily, but, it's tough to absorp the low frequencies.
Studio monitors for small bedroom for EDM
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 27 May, 2022
i like jbls , i have got adam a7x
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661 - Banned
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agreed about the bass on too large speakers, but depending on your room layoyt, what kind of walls it is (drywall tends to absorb well, wood and concrete not so much) and how much acoustic "thought" have gone into it with dampening and bass traps etc. either way, the sound is just probably too "large" with 8 inch compared to 5 inch if the room is really small. you might just be overpowered with the bass, like you have a subwoofer in there and make mixing mistakes due to that instead. standing waves or not, it might be too much.chk071 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 10:05 am Regarding those big monitors which are recommended here (7 to 8 inch): I wouldn't use such a size in a "small bedroom". It's really counterproductive, when those bass waves stack up, and you get massive resonances in the bass region. Actually, it's the most horrible thing I encounter with room acoustics.
Do yourself a favour, and dont't buy such big monitors for a small room. It really sucks, big time.
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I just checked yesterday, and, I get some resonances at about 50 to 55 Hz.
To be honest, it could also be the characteristics of my monitors though, as the frequency responses I found online show a peak in that region. Maybe I'm entirely wrong about the standing waves thing. On the other hand, it definitely changes depending on the listening position, but, I guess that's always an issue.
To be honest, it could also be the characteristics of my monitors though, as the frequency responses I found online show a peak in that region. Maybe I'm entirely wrong about the standing waves thing. On the other hand, it definitely changes depending on the listening position, but, I guess that's always an issue.
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- KVRist
- 299 posts since 15 Dec, 2019
In a small untreated room, most of the 5" speakers are ok. Buy something on sale. Then later upgrade the room and speakers if you know that you are serious about music making and want to invest. The next step could be Genelecs, more expensive Adams or Focals.
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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Which monitors do you have? My room (and table) tends to resonate a bit at 90-110hz, so i usually have to be extra attentive when listening or working in that area.chk071 wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 9:05 am I just checked yesterday, and, I get some resonances at about 50 to 55 Hz.
To be honest, it could also be the characteristics of my monitors though, as the frequency responses I found online show a peak in that region. Maybe I'm entirely wrong about the standing waves thing. On the other hand, it definitely changes depending on the listening position, but, I guess that's always an issue.
Anyway, M-audio BX5 (or BX8) is what id get in a small room! they sound sweet as hell
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
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astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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oh ok! ive only heard their big brother 308, but they sounded really nice, and i was very close to buying them at one point.
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Funnily, I feel like I still have to get used to them, after years of usage. 
I think I just have my issues when speakers are sounding too flat/analytical. Nothing really wrong with them, I guess, it's just that flat doesn't excite the ear as much.
I think I just have my issues when speakers are sounding too flat/analytical. Nothing really wrong with them, I guess, it's just that flat doesn't excite the ear as much.-
astralprojection astralprojection https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=443661
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After many many years and trials, I got really lucky with a pair of passive semi-home made build, that was sold in sweden at one point in time (90s). very unique, and are flat as hell. but they just sound so good i get excited every day i wake up cause i get to work with these things. 
the treble element is a philips, and i dont remember who made the 8" bass element. but at some point in time i have to swap out the caps on the filters, cause they are starting to sound slighlty phasey
the treble element is a philips, and i dont remember who made the 8" bass element. but at some point in time i have to swap out the caps on the filters, cause they are starting to sound slighlty phasey
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- KVRAF
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
There two major contributors to low frequency dips in rooms: standing waves and SBIR.chk071 wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 9:05 am I just checked yesterday, and, I get some resonances at about 50 to 55 Hz.
To be honest, it could also be the characteristics of my monitors though, as the frequency responses I found online show a peak in that region. Maybe I'm entirely wrong about the standing waves thing. On the other hand, it definitely changes depending on the listening position, but, I guess that's always an issue.
Standing waves won't change frequency with speaker position and in small rooms speaker position usually doesn't do much about them, they're a function of the room dimensions.
SBIR (speaker boundary interference response) changes frequency with speaker position.
it's a function of distance of the speaker from the nearest hard boundary (wall, floor, ceiling)
basically bass frequencies standing speakers are "omni", so the sound propagating from the front also propagates to the back, then reflects and sums with the direct sound.
because bass is hard to trap, rockwool or foam traps won't do shit about SBIR.
that's why i tell anyone who doesn't have at least 1m of space from front wall to put the speaker AGAINST the wall, because it eliminates SBIRs as much as possible in a small room.
And as i said, 50-55Hz will also bi problematic with nearly any 5" speaker since most extend down ~50Hz so not sure how buying a smaller speaker in this case would help.
sorry no. I have a very small control room (20m2 gross without treatment, 13m2 with treatment) and i have two 15" subs on top of 10" Trio11, everything flush mounted.astralprojection wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 9:01 am
agreed about the bass on too large speakers, but depending on your room layoyt, what kind of walls it is (drywall tends to absorb well, wood and concrete not so much) and how much acoustic "thought" have gone into it with dampening and bass traps etc. either way, the sound is just probably too "large" with 8 inch compared to 5 inch if the room is really small. you might just be overpowered with the bass, like you have a subwoofer in there and make mixing mistakes due to that instead. standing waves or not, it might be too much.
Severely treated with limp-membrane absorbers so i have room modes tamed down to 20Hz, and SBIRs nonexistent due to flush mounting.
Anyone who mixed here had no issues.
And if i listened to you guys here i'd buy 8" speakers at most for my tiny CR.
I hate to be repeating myself, but while speaker size "loosely" correlates to low-end response, it's by far not a direct correlation (as my case of HS7 vs Alpha 50 that have nearly identical LFE).
i.e. 8" speaker with a hipass at 55Hz will not cause worse standing waves than a 5" that has a built in hipass at 55Hz for overexcursion.
What does change with speaker size is minimal listening distance, due to bigger baffle size and driver projection it might take a few more centimeters of distance for a bigger speaker to integrate + they're usually deeper so you loose a few centimenters to begin with.
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Nice.astralprojection wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 9:58 am After many many years and trials, I got really lucky with a pair of passive semi-home made build, that was sold in sweden at one point in time (90s). very unique, and are flat as hell. but they just sound so good i get excited every day i wake up cause i get to work with these things.
the treble element is a philips, and i dont remember who made the 8" bass element. but at some point in time i have to swap out the caps on the filters, cause they are starting to sound slighlty phasey
I might have to go to a store next time I buy some monitors. Buying them online, based on reviews is like doing a blind bargain...Anyway, as has been pointed out here, I also think that you can get used to everything. I guess that's even the most important thing: To know your speakers.
It also happens with hi-fi stuff. I have another pair of computer speakers, a pair of headphones, and some true wireless in-ear phones. They all sound different. And, none of them is really bad.
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- KVRAF
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
you can't get used to dips unfortunately.
How could you? You can't mix something that you don't know whether it exists or not.
you can only mix shit you hear. you can sort of fix peaks with room EQ. Dips however are gone.
and if you have speakers on the same planar position like SBIR will make the same dip on everyone of them.
How could you? You can't mix something that you don't know whether it exists or not.
you can only mix shit you hear. you can sort of fix peaks with room EQ. Dips however are gone.
and if you have speakers on the same planar position like SBIR will make the same dip on everyone of them.