Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[Chipi]

the muted Rompler 'veil' of sound that Omnisphere has on every sound

All our ears are different I guess, but that seems like absolute nonsense to me.

I don't know how long you have been using Omnisphere or how you monitor it in your studio, but I have been using it for the last 12 years in our LA studio and I know very well what I am talking about, and the tonality I am referring to is uniform in each of the sounds that Omnisphere triggers, it is the sonic characteristic of the Plugin, not forgetting that it is a Rompler with synthesis capabilities, and not a pure synthesizer.

But again, no idea how you monitor Omnisphere, but from our studio, the 'subtle' veil on each preset is audible. We couldn't notice that using Avenger or Falcon.

UVI Falcon has a tonality closer to Tone2 synthesizers like Electra and Icarus. Avenger has a very balanced sound and is the best of all, between Omni and Falcon. Cheers!

Nice studio, congratulations! Now I understand that you can buy the complete Avenger library at 75 per expansion...hahaha.

I have Omni and Falcon as well, however lately I use Avenger with a 'limited' sound library, haha... which is awesome! In my case I monitor with the Beyer Dynamic DT 990 Pro and I also perceive that distinctive tinge in Omni, however it sounds great! Do you think Avenger is superior to Falcon?

[mholloway]

it is the sonic characteristic of the Plugin, not forgetting that it is a Rompler with synthesis capabilities, and not a pure synthesizer.

Oh FFS.

I'll bite -- please enlighten us how Omnisphere is "not a pure synthesizer."

Really. What components does it lack, functionally or programmatically, that Zebra or Avenger or Diva or other 'pure' synths contain, that makes it 'not a pure synthesizer' compared to pretty much any other software synthesizer.

You clearly seem to think that because it *also* focuses on having a massive, ROMpler style library of presets, that somehow detracts from its ability to function as a 'pure' synthesizer. Which if course total horsesh*t.... it has Oscs, filters, envelopes, modulation -- all the functionality of a synthesizer, in software form. Same as any other you could name, 'pure' as all the rest.'

Prove otherwise, though. I mean, hey, you have '12 years of studio experience.'

This should be fun.

[noiseboyuk]

Here we go again…

Omnisphere is not a Rompler. Nor is it a “Rompler with synthesis capabilities”. If you’ve used it for 12 years (me too!) you really should have clocked this by now. It is a synthesiser with either wavetable (a la Avenger) or sampled sources (a la Avenger). There is literally nothing in its architecture that means it would sound worse because it is a “Rompler”. It is a nonsense statement.

Maybe you can hear up to 40k and can detect something else about it that most of us mere mortals cannot, or those thousands of users who have had hits and scored movies with it. Good for you. But it still doesn’t make it a Rompler.

Anyway, off topic. We both agree Avenger is good stuff, so there’s that

[zvenx]

Strange speaker placement in that studio photo.
Rsp

[starflakeprj]

Here we go again…

Omnisphere is not a Rompler. Nor is it a “Rompler with synthesis capabilities”. If you’ve used it for 12 years (me too!) you really should have clocked this by now. It is a synthesiser with either wavetable (a la Avenger) or sampled sources (a la Avenger). There is literally nothing in its architecture that means it would sound worse because it is a “Rompler”. It is a nonsense statement.

Maybe you can hear up to 40k and can detect something else about it that most of us mere mortals cannot, or those thousands of users who have had hits and scored movies with it. Good for you. But it still doesn’t make it a Rompler.

Anyway, off topic. We both agree Avenger is good stuff, so there’s that

No, Omnisphere is definitely not a rompler, but many presets are heavily depending on samples, and I guess most people are using it as a preset machine rather than a fully fledged synth. Hence the misunderstanding of the type of plugin. That is my theory at least.

[AxlMaldini]

Strange speaker placement in that studio photo.
Rsp

Yes I know, I'm a bit limited on space in that corner, I would have liked to separate them a bit more and flip them over. I'm working on that project these days, it just so happens that I sold the previous Yamaha NS10s.

[noiseboyuk]

Here we go again…

Omnisphere is not a Rompler. Nor is it a “Rompler with synthesis capabilities”. If you’ve used it for 12 years (me too!) you really should have clocked this by now. It is a synthesiser with either wavetable (a la Avenger) or sampled sources (a la Avenger). There is literally nothing in its architecture that means it would sound worse because it is a “Rompler”. It is a nonsense statement.

Maybe you can hear up to 40k and can detect something else about it that most of us mere mortals cannot, or those thousands of users who have had hits and scored movies with it. Good for you. But it still doesn’t make it a Rompler.

Anyway, off topic. We both agree Avenger is good stuff, so there’s that

No, Omnisphere is definitely not a rompler, but many presets are heavily depending on samples, and I guess most people are using it as a preset machine rather than a fully fledged synth. Hence the misunderstanding of the type of plugin. That is my theory at least.

Maybe so for the those who don’t use it or care to find out anything about it. But don’t you think, after using Omnisphere for 12 years in a spectacular studio with incredible monitoring, we could hope for a little better?

The original claim, let’s not forget, is that Omnisphere sounds bad because - I quote - “ the muted Rompler 'veil' of sound that Omnisphere has on every sound”.

Now, somehow, we’re talking about misconceptions from non-owners. I’m not sure I can counter, but I’ll go with “yes, but nuclear power in Germany should never have been scaled back after the Fukushima disaster as the country is land-locked and not prone to earthquakes or tsunamis”.

[gaf_thit]

Germany's nuclear shutdown is a disgrace. Abort.

[msvs]

Hoorraay, its party time again! On time with the start of the party season, the new "VPS Avenger Euro Party 2 XP" arrived! On board is everything you need for creating the most authentic German Schlager, Chart/Pop, Apres Ski, Carnival and EDM/Dance tracks! Genre specialist Stephan Endemann delivers again: You will find real guitars, drums, synths, basses, pianos, crowd fx, risers/bombs, plucks and natural instruments. All perfectly designed to match this special character you need for composing party music. You asked us so many times for volume 2, so here you go - have fun!



Attention: VPS Avenger version 1.8.0 minimum required!

this expansion adds to your library:

134 Avenger presets 21 new drumkits
21 new drum sequences 10 new wavetables
12 new granular samples 6 new multiloops
62 new multisamples 31 new osc-shapes

[m-ac]

Who the hells still buying euro dance expansions like its 2004 ffs?! Stop NOW. The sooner you stop, the sooner we can get cinematic 4, meloncholia 2, dystopia 2...anything but more eurotrash!

[noiseboyuk]

I still want pop. Not Future Pop, the regular kind. Mainstream chart-topper stuff, not targeted EDM. Neither Vengeance or reFX have done a set like this in a very long time.

[msvs]

Who the hells still buying euro dance expansions like its 2004 ffs?! Stop NOW. The sooner you stop, the sooner we can get cinematic 4, meloncholia 2, dystopia 2...anything but more eurotrash!

Certainly more than you might think. There is a big industry for this kind of music in Europe/Germany There are many entertainer keyboards on the market for this stuff from Roland/Yamaha/Korg etc... but rare to find as VST. We try to cover something for everyone and there were many requests for more "Schlager" stuff.

[m-ac]

I still want pop. Not Future Pop, the regular kind. Mainstream chart-topper stuff, not targeted EDM. Neither Vengeance or reFX have done a set like this in a very long time.

I'd buy a pop expansion, as long as it was dark pop - like the darkest FKA Twigs, Grimes, and Billie Eilish type of stuff. What do you reckon Manuel, do we have some of that coming?

[noiseboyuk]

I'd buy a pop expansion, as long as it was dark pop - like the darkest FKA Twigs, Grimes, and Billie Eilish type of stuff. What do you reckon Manuel, do we have some of that coming?

I’d take that too, great idea, but I was thinking of the most poppy kind. Let’s not be proud - Katy Perry, Taylor Swift (who is particularly brilliant imo), BTS, Ariana Grande, Bruno Mars, Ed Sheerin, throw ‘em all in. I’ve mentioned it before but Manuel doesn’t seem interested and I’ve no idea why.

Pop is - pretty much by definition - the most popular genre of all. Crisp bright synths (but not supersaw EDM), killer / round basses, maybe some guitars too, both acoustic and electric, muted patterns etc.

I guess these endless EDM variations still sell or they wouldn’t do them, but jeepers creepers. The atmospheric stuff is great to do, but… why not pop? An open goal, surely.

Pop vol 1 and Dark Pop vol 1. Probably RnB Pop vol 1 too. Sign me up.

[sqigls]

Euro Party
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