KVR Audio

Boy Wonder · Post by **Boy Wonder** » Tue May 31, 2022 6:36 am

Hi, all. Recently, I improved my laptop's audio system by removing an AMD executable which I'd discovered after using LatencyMon. I've also done quite a lot of tweaking of my computer including putting it in Airplane mode when I fire up Cubase.

I'm curious, though: I'm sure I would get even better performance if I somehow removed Defender from my system, but since I rely on it, I was curious if simply suspending it while I'm using Cubase will help. Does anyone here not use an antivirus?

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am

I never ever had any antivirus software installed on my Windows PC´s... and turned off defender as soon as possible...
I was always online 24/7 and oh wonder...
I never had ever any viruses on my system...

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am

I don't think you can remove Defender (I might be wrong). Just add Exceptions for Cubase and plugin folders.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:27 am

T-CM11 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am I don't think you can remove Defender (I might be wrong). Just add Exceptions for Cubase and plugin folders.

You cannot remove it but you can permanently shout it off... especially this f+cking realtime scanning...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 am

Considering today's computers performance, I don't think there is much point in deactivating your antivirus.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue May 31, 2022 8:04 am

I've never used anti-virus, and I've been on line since about 1996, but I let Windows do what it does with Defender. If you look in Task Manager you can see that Defender uses almost zero resources.

ReleaseCandidate · Post by **ReleaseCandidate** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:13 am

chk071 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 am Considering today's computers performance, I don't think there is much point in deactivating your antivirus.

It's still one of the most important things to do. At least exclude the directories from the scan.

Official (unoffical) Windows 10 tweak guide from MS:
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/windows- ... de-part-2/

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 8:04 am I've never used anti-virus, and I've been on line since about 1996, but I let Windows do what it does with Defender.

In other words you're using anti-virus programs at least since Windows 7(?), 2009

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:44 am

ReleaseCandidate wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:13 am
chk071 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 am Considering today's computers performance, I don't think there is much point in deactivating your antivirus.
It's still one of the most important things to do.

Why?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am

I skipped Win7, worst version ever. I pretty much went from XP to Win8.

But, honestly, I haven't worried about any of that krap in 10 years or more. Computers are fast enough now that you don't need to care about any of that stuff any more. You had a specific problem that nobody else has come up against. It was a one-off, don't let it make you paranoid.

WasteLand · Post by **WasteLand** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:17 am

yes, mainly because it interferes with some plugins, programs/DAW's. (good advice for troubleshooting.)
for system resources, the small overhead, well, perhaps if you need that tiny extra..

ReleaseCandidate · Post by **ReleaseCandidate** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:31 am

chk071 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:44 am
ReleaseCandidate wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:13 am
chk071 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 am Considering today's computers performance, I don't think there is much point in deactivating your antivirus.
It's still one of the most important things to do.
Why?

Because it still may noticeably impact performance (it always does impact performance, the only question is if it is significant enough to be noticeable). And no, die CPU usage is not the real problem, although you do not want any CPU used by other processes, if at all avoidable.
The problems are the disk-I/O in general (which causes higher latency) and the access of files you may use - which of course is more noticeable if you're using many multi-GB sample library than just some hundert sample files in a project.
But yes, chances are you won't notice anything because you have a free core to spare and the OS' scheduler is intelligent enough to use this for disk I/O.

And I'm not even trying to discuss the general uselessness and security problems of anti-virus software

jackoo · Post by **jackoo** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:46 am

I'm not using an antivirus software on my main / power / DAW PC. I handle security manually.
It is surely on on the work / corporate laptop... But that's fine.

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am I skipped Win7, worst version ever. I pretty much went from XP to Win8.

Win7 is one of the best versions of Windows of all time.
Skipped Win ME, Vista and 8

T-CM11 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am I don't think you can remove Defender (I might be wrong). Just add Exceptions for Cubase and plugin folders.

You can remove Defender, but for modern Windows versions (10+) you need special permissions (beyond NT/Administrator and NT/System). You need to be TrustedInstaller.

chk071 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 am Considering today's computers performance, I don't think there is much point in deactivating your antivirus.

Somewhat true. If the AV is not terrible written. And yes, Defender is decent.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue May 31, 2022 10:54 am

ReleaseCandidate wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 10:31 am
chk071 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:44 am
ReleaseCandidate wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:13 am
chk071 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:54 am Considering today's computers performance, I don't think there is much point in deactivating your antivirus.
It's still one of the most important things to do.
Why?
Because it still may noticeably impact performance (it always does impact performance, the only question is if it is significant enough to be noticeable). And no, die CPU usage is not the real problem, although you do not want any CPU used by other processes, if at all avoidable.
The problems are the disk-I/O in general (which causes higher latency) and the access of files you may use - which of course is more noticeable if you're using many multi-GB sample library than just some hundert sample files in a project.

Ok, I get that. I don't use those, so, I'm sure the impact here will be minimal.

ReleaseCandidate wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 10:31 am And I'm not even trying to discuss the general uselessness and security problems of anti-virus software

Third party security suites are a known issue, especially when doing Windows updates. It's often recommended in support forums to use the Defender, which is what I do. Although the user is the biggest risk in any case, and, that's something I also practice: Safe computing. Didn't have bigger issues in the last 15 to 20 years.

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Tue May 31, 2022 11:13 am

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:46 am ...Computers are fast enough now that you don't need to care about any of that stuff any more. ...

Whilst this is true, not all of us can afford a new computer, or even a decent 2nd hand one.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue May 31, 2022 11:50 am

But you can afford internet access. Maybe you need to reassess your priorities?

jackoo wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 10:46 amWin7 is one of the best versions of Windows of all time.

Why? It was just a cosmetic makeover of Vista, except they managed to break Windows Media Player in the process and did nothing about it. The OS itself was unchanged from all the things everyone hated about Vista - the f**ked up Control Panel, the worst Start Menu ever, etc. It was less real improvement than you'd normally get from a Service Pack and that's what it should have been - Vista SP2. They didn't fix anything that made people hate Vista. Nothing at all.

Do You Turn Your AntiVirus Off When Using Your DAW?