KVR Audio

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:00 pm

I am running Avast quietly in the background, has no impact at all.

I think with a modern SSD and CPU you don't need to worry.

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:40 pm

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:50 am But you can afford internet access. Maybe you need to reassess your priorities?

jackoo wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 10:46 amWin7 is one of the best versions of Windows of all time.
Why? It was just a cosmetic makeover of Vista, except they managed to break Windows Media Player in the process and did nothing about it. The OS itself was unchanged from all the things everyone hated about Vista - the f**ked up Control Panel, the worst Start Menu ever, etc. It was less real improvement than you'd normally get from a Service Pack and that's what it should have been - Vista SP2. They didn't fix anything that made people hate Vista. Nothing at all.

Why do you assume I was referring to myself? There are plenty of paupers here, judging by the number of people who want free everything.
Also, my Internet access comes courtesy of my phone, £20 a month. Should I get rid of it?

jackoo · Post by **jackoo** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:54 pm

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:50 am
jackoo wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 10:46 amWin7 is one of the best versions of Windows of all time.
Why? <...>

Ok, that might be a rather subjective opinion.

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:50 am the f**ked up Control Panel
the worst Start Menu ever

Well this is extremely subjective as well, and the matter of visual taste and opinion. In 8 there was no start menu at all?! until 8.1. The 7 start menu works fine for me.

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:50 am It was less real improvement than you'd normally get from a Service Pack and that's what it should have been - Vista SP2.

Could have been Vista SP2 or SP3, agreed.

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:50 am They didn't fix anything that made people hate Vista. Nothing at all.

Vista was really sluggish, 7 was faster overall on the same older hardware.
Compatibility with older software was improved (and hardware - some printer XP drivers worked on 7, which didn't work on Vista).
UAC was improved.

BONES wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:50 am Why?

More to the point, I didn't like 8 because of the Metro UI. True, that's subjective. Maybe you love it.

But much more important:
In 10, you have to uninstall candy crush, remove ads to other Microsoft products, remove really a lot of packages that just take up disk space like voice search, phone integration, you have to insist to have a local account, do not have full control of your services, do not have full control of the registry (without esoteric privilege escalation), do not have full control of your scheduled tasks, in the beginning it would update without user approval... For me it takes more time to customize according to my privacy preferences. Also you there are less 3rd party kernel firewalls on the market.

Maybe 11 is better. Not tested it yet.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue May 31, 2022 1:53 pm

jackoo wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:54 pm Maybe 11 is better.

This guy doesn't think so.......

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:17 am

jackoo wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:54 pmWell this is extremely subjective as well, and the matter of visual taste and opinion.

Not at all. For no reason at all they re-organised everything in Controll Panel, which made it a PITA for anyone to find anything, for no benefit whatsoever. Microsoft's own user data showed that use of Start inWin7 had fallen by as much as 80% compared to XP for some tasks. That's why they made such a radical overhaul in W8.

In 8 there was no start menu at all?! until 8.1.

Of course there was, it took up the whole screen and was there when you started your computer so you didn't even have to go looking for anything.

The 7 start menu works fine for me.

You must be easily pleased because I had to spend 100 hours building something useful in Rainmeter for the brief few months I was forced to endure W7, just so I could use it. It didn't let you pin anything or arrange anything, it made arbitrary decisions on your behalf, most of which were useless for me.

Vista was really sluggish, 7 was faster overall on the same older hardware. Compatibility with older software was improved (and hardware - some printer XP drivers worked on 7, which didn't work on Vista).

Vista was initially bad but SP1 fixed all that, a year before W7.

UAC was improved.

Maybe but it was still a royal PITA.

More to the point, I didn't like 8 because of the Metro UI. True, that's subjective. Maybe you love it.

I loved the workflows it allowed me to develop. I loved that Start was just there when I switched my computer on, I didn't have to go looking for it. I loved the horizontal scrolling, which makes so much sense for a landscape oriented screen. I loved how completely customisable the colours and fonts were, something I really miss in W10 and W11.

In 10, you have to uninstall candy crush....

No you don't. a) it's just a link to an installer, remove the tile and it's gone and b), you don't have to uninstall anything, it's a choice you make.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:18 am

Googly Smythe wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:40 pmWhy do you assume I was referring to myself?

Why would you presume to speak for anyone else?

There are plenty of paupers here, judging by the number of people who want free everything.

I think that has more ot do with people's sense of entitlement. In any event, I don't spend a lot of money on stuff for music, for the simple reason I don't need to and neither does anyone else. My last two laptops have been second-hand, I bought Studio One second-hand and all but one or two of the instruments I use regularly were less than $50.

Also, my Internet access comes courtesy of my phone, £20 a month. Should I get rid of it?

That's 240 quid per year, which is more than a new laptop costs me every year, on average, after I sell the old one. I'd happily do without a phone if I could find a good excuse.

fese · Post by **fese** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:53 am

Trancit wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am I never ever had any antivirus software installed on my Windows PC´s... and turned off defender as soon as possible...
I was always online 24/7 and oh wonder...
I never had ever any viruses on my system...

…that you know of.

fese · Post by **fese** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:58 am

T-CM11 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am I don't think you can remove Defender (I might be wrong). Just add Exceptions for Cubase and plugin folders.

This. You only need to remember to add another exception after a major DAW update (if that installs in a different path or has a different program name).

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:27 pm

fese wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:53 am
Trancit wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am I never ever had any antivirus software installed on my Windows PC´s... and turned off defender as soon as possible...
I was always online 24/7 and oh wonder...
I never had ever any viruses on my system...
…that you know of.

If they are doing nothing bad I would notice why should I care??

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:33 pm

Because... it's teh evil threat that you never see and notice, but it's there somewhere in the background! Like radiation!

It's even eviler than something you notice. Because it's invisible. Like Houdini.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:40 pm

chk071 wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:33 pm Because... it's teh evil threat that you never see and notice, but it's there somewhere in the background! Like radiation!

It's even eviler than something you notice. Because it's invisible. Like Houdini.

You forgot this smiley in your post:

I hope your response was meant ironic...

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Jun 01, 2022 7:11 pm

When I was on a PC for my main DAW, I used AVG Free, which was pretty horrendous on my systems (but not as bad as Norton was!) so, yes, I turned it off most of the time, especially when my track count started to get up there and performance started to diminish.

Trensharo · Post by **Trensharo** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:51 am

Trancit wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am I never ever had any antivirus software installed on my Windows PC´s... and turned off defender as soon as possible...
I was always online 24/7 and oh wonder...
I never had ever any viruses on my system...

How can you objectively know this if you remove all means of detecting viruses from your systems?

I do keep defender active. It has no impact on my system's performance. I don't want to unintentionally pass a virus off to someone who may be using their PC without protection.

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:25 am

I think the idea was valid a couple of decades back, to maximise on processing power. But these days, the impact of virus detection shouldn't be significant at all if you're running a machine that's good enough for DAW work - not accounting for poorly written software, of course.

I have Defender running and no issues since W7 - currently on W10.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:42 am

fese wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:53 am
Trancit wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:25 am I never ever had any antivirus software installed on my Windows PC´s... and turned off defender as soon as possible... I was always online 24/7 and oh wonder... I never had ever any viruses on my system...
…that you know of.

If you don't know it's there, why would you care?

Trensharo wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:51 amHow can you objectively know this if you remove all means of detecting viruses from your systems?

Because it doesn't hijack your system or encrypt your drives and your bank accounts don't get drained because someone stole your passwords. Think of it as the difference between a benign and a cancerous brain tumour. If it's not going to kill you and it's not causing you any discomfort, why would you get it removed?

Do You Turn Your AntiVirus Off When Using Your DAW?