Couple of Miniatures

[ChameleonMusic]

I've listened to "The Space in Between" quite a few times, and I like it. I'm not concerned about the change in instrumentation. As a piece of "stand-alone" music, it works for me, and and I reckon it would be fine used in a movie/TV soundtrack setting.

Good work

Thanks for the feedback as always, Tim - very useful to hear that you felt that it worked as as a standalone piece...I'd Ummed and ahhed about that aspect of it...dropping in extra layers and then removing them again as just too much!

[tomtom1]

Yes, that might come from your classical background I suspect, [...]

Yes, definitely - and the compositional ideas of my theory professor are still behind me. He has drawn up tables showing how, for example, he can smoothly transition from a Bartok pizzicato in the violins to a legato trombone part (in an orchestra)

Speaking of "writing for electronic VST-instruments. etc."
I thought (more i was dreaming of ) how cool it would be if the choir "grew out" of the wind instruments (both sort of "aerophones") and the solo cello out of the strings. I was not just thinking of motivic work (which is there) or as with a volume crossfade - but a real morphing out (in terms of sound spectrum and timbre) from the preceding sounds. But i honestly don't know if that's even technically possible. But in my mind that would be the "perfect" solution and the ultimative entanglement of all musical levels. (and if you know a solution how i could morph from a let's say a train sound to a c-Major chord played in the strings... let me know !!! )

[eassae]

Yes, that might come from your classical background I suspect, [...]

Yes, definitely - and the compositional ideas of my theory professor are still behind me. He has drawn up tables showing how, for example, he can smoothly transition from a Bartok pizzicato in the violins to a legato trombone part (in an orchestra)

Speaking of "writing for electronic VST-instruments. etc."
I thought (more i was dreaming of ) how cool it would be if the choir "grew out" of the wind instruments (both sort of "aerophones") and the solo cello out of the strings. I was not just thinking of motivic work (which is there) or as with a volume crossfade - but a real morphing out (in terms of sound spectrum and timbre) from the preceding sounds. But i honestly don't know if that's even technically possible. But in my mind that would be the "perfect" solution and the ultimative entanglement of all musical levels. (and if you know a solution how i could morph from a let's say a train sound to a c-Major chord played in the strings... let me know !!! )

http://zynaptiq.com/morph/ and https://www.meldaproduction.com/MMorph

[ChameleonMusic]

how cool it would be if the choir "grew out" of the wind instruments .... and the solo cello out of the strings....a real morphing out (in terms of sound spectrum and timbre) from the preceding sounds. But i honestly don't know if that's even technically possible.

That's all perfectly possible and is something I've made a note to do a bit more of where appropriate! I think I need to use a few more hybrid sounds again...very much my sonic arena of choice!

Yeah, all that sort of thing is perfectly possible in a modern sampler to at least some extent...there's very little you can't do nowadays with audio editing software!

In Melodyne - I once stamped the pitch content of the entire first movement of Mozart's symphony No. 40 onto a field recording of London traffic! It was very interesting, but ultimately not great to listen to after the initial novelty value had worn off!

Modern VST vocoders can often go way beyond basic morphing of 2 or more audio layers.

Alchemy VST synth can morph between audio layers in various ways + you can add in your own samples.

Others I know of that can do such things...

Kyma Max\/Msp Bidule

[ChameleonMusic]

Yes, that might come from your classical background I suspect, [...]

Yes, definitely - and the compositional ideas of my theory professor are still behind me. He has drawn up tables showing how, for example, he can smoothly transition from a Bartok pizzicato in the violins to a legato trombone part (in an orchestra)

Speaking of "writing for electronic VST-instruments. etc."
I thought (more i was dreaming of ) how cool it would be if the choir "grew out" of the wind instruments (both sort of "aerophones") and the solo cello out of the strings. I was not just thinking of motivic work (which is there) or as with a volume crossfade - but a real morphing out (in terms of sound spectrum and timbre) from the preceding sounds. But i honestly don't know if that's even technically possible. But in my mind that would be the "perfect" solution and the ultimative entanglement of all musical levels. (and if you know a solution how i could morph from a let's say a train sound to a c-Major chord played in the strings... let me know !!! )

http://zynaptiq.com/morph/ and https://www.meldaproduction.com/MMorph

Downloaded the demo...gonna have a play around with it tonight!

[ChameleonMusic]

Space in between: a very tasteful piece. Loved the blending of the choir in, subtle at first.

Silence and tears: love the textures and the "colour" of the winds. Ending on major was satisfying ending.

Hi Ian, thanks for having a listen and commenting.

'Tasteful' - cheers and obviously, I agree ...others have found the choir a little too much, especially with that rich reverb!

Glad you highlighted the textures / colours in S&T...and that little major key twist at the end! That can get a little cheesy sometimes, but I felt it was totally appropriate here.

[seismic1]

"Silence and Tears" had a very interesting combination of instruments, so I think the texture/movement focus worked out very well indeed. The melody on here was very reminiscent of part of "The Cosmic Gondolier"

Good work

[vurt]

seriously good shit man!!!
i wish i knew anything about putting films together, i saw whole stories unfold around each one, down to scenes and camera angles

the second one had hints for me, of the joker score, which I know we've discussed before
not in a "oh he's doing the joker..."
more a nod in that cold/lonely sound.

bravo sir

[jancivil]

nice
like to hear it with a vastly better codec than SC's

[jancivil]

this is an excellent mix, and yes it flows

[enroe]

"The Space in Between": Very nice minimalistic melodic beginning.
Even has a high recognition value.

The cello, which seems very fragile, gives the whole thing, together
with the voices, a melancholic note. With each song, I first evaluate
the composition, then the implementation with sounds. You did both
well here.

This little snippet could well be the beginning of an epic, longer work,
taking the listener through ups and downs, alternating tension and
relaxation ... I'm just thinking about the possibilities of expanding and
extending it.

[jancivil]

Also the space is convincing. Not full-on naturalistic but 3D.

[ChameleonMusic]

Yes, that might come from your classical background I suspect, [...]

Yes, definitely - and the compositional ideas of my theory professor are still behind me. He has drawn up tables showing how, for example, he can smoothly transition from a Bartok pizzicato in the violins to a legato trombone part (in an orchestra)

Speaking of "writing for electronic VST-instruments. etc."
I thought (more i was dreaming of ) how cool it would be if the choir "grew out" of the wind instruments (both sort of "aerophones") and the solo cello out of the strings. I was not just thinking of motivic work (which is there) or as with a volume crossfade - but a real morphing out (in terms of sound spectrum and timbre) from the preceding sounds. But i honestly don't know if that's even technically possible. But in my mind that would be the "perfect" solution and the ultimative entanglement of all musical levels. (and if you know a solution how i could morph from a let's say a train sound to a c-Major chord played in the strings... let me know !!! )

http://zynaptiq.com/morph/ and https://www.meldaproduction.com/MMorph

Downloaded the demo...gonna have a play around with it tonight!

had a play with it...

Pros:
It certainly morphs layers of all sorts of sounds very quickly and intuitively - found it very easy to use. It does create some very interesting new sounds without too much fuss and bother.

Works well as a pseudo-vocoder.

Nice to have this facility so well packaged and accessible in one 'place'.

Cons:
Quite expensive for a bit of software that basically does one thing.

I can do everything it does in other software...admittedly with a bit more fiddling and tweaking!

CPU hog - seriously uses a lot!

Results were a little unpredictable times - 2x morphed a trickling stream / drum beat ( exactly the same settings each time) and got very different results.

[ChameleonMusic]

"Silence and Tears" had a very interesting combination of instruments, so I think the texture/movement focus worked out very well indeed. The melody on here was very reminiscent of part of "The Cosmic Gondolier"

Good work

Thanks Tim.

it's an unusual array of timbres without a doubt! Glad you thought the texture / movement was effective as that is very much an element of my pieces that I'm trying to improve - some sample libraries can be quite static, I think, unless you're prepared to put the time into automation layers.

Cosmic Gondolier - I'll have a listen...the amount of times I repeat melodic ideas without realising it!

[ChameleonMusic]

seriously good shit man!!!
i wish i knew anything about putting films together, i saw whole stories unfold around each one, down to scenes and camera angles

the second one had hints for me, of the joker score, which I know we've discussed before
not in a "oh he's doing the joker..."
more a nod in that cold/lonely sound.

bravo sir

''i saw whole stories unfold around each one, down to scenes and camera angles'' that's soooo good to hear as I do try to put a bit of narrative into even the shortest, simplest pieces!

''i wish i knew anything about putting films together'' - me as well!

Happy to be compared to the Joker score any time, any place, in any way! Yeah, I hear the 'lonely' as well - interesting point.

Hildur Guðnadóttir - I knew nothing about her before that film...her music is quite extraordinary at times....wonderful combos of cello / electronica.