Do You Turn Your AntiVirus Off When Using Your DAW?

[Harry_HH]

Considering today's computers performance, I don't think there is much point in deactivating your antivirus.

Yes, but in some rare cases antivirus may prevent installing the program.

What comes to Windows defender, its pretty primitive, year after year it forces choosing ”install anyway” after it has stopped your plugin installation.

[chk071]

You probably mean the Microsoft Smart Screen, not Windows Defender.

[Harry_HH]

You probably mean the Microsoft Smart Screen, not Windows Defender.

That's it - I forgot, because the name is so misleading.

[sQeetz]

i might be completely wrong of course since i never actually tried it, but my gut feeling tells me that this is one of those programs that embeds itself deeply into the system architecture, which is something i don't want. It's also one of those heavyweight "system tools" that i always had an aversion for, since i think they are completely unnecessary bloat no one who knows how to use his/her operating system properly actually needs.

It's just an app that runs on command. If you tell it not to scan in the background, then it doesn't. At least according to Activity Monitor.

[FapFilter]

that sounds good - might keep an eye on it again then

[sQeetz]

To be honest, if one does not use warez and/or visit dodgy sites, I believe it's unnecessary... I do it anyway just for the peace of mind

[FapFilter]

i also think it's not really a necessity. Even on Windows i didn't have any findings in the at least last 10 years or even more. and before that it was some false alerts here and there by 3rd party scanners.
I think the only time i ever got something serious was back in the DOS days when i got some floppy disks from someone at school.
still it is not a bad thing to make sure from time to time, despite the real time checks in the background basically should find the same things if it really should happen.
It's still nicer to get some "all clear" feedback after a request than nothing at all even after years.
Everything might be fine, or the OS security measures could have long been bypassed by some clever software and you will never know because of a philosophy of complete radio silence all the time.

[sQeetz]

Even on Windows i didn't have any findings in the at least last 10 years or even more.

Windows does have a bare minimum security option build in. MacOS doesn't... I believe it should, but Cupertino security thinks it doesn't......so here we are

[FapFilter]

MacOS has 3 security thingies running in the background if i recall correctly
- one malware detection / removal tool that runs after each reboot and maybe also at some point(s) during sleep
- anti virus software that runs every time a new or altered file is started
- not sure about the last thing atm, but i think it was some database of potential risks that prevents people from just opening potentially harmful files

so basically some sort of Defender-Lite, but with no way of interaction from / with the user, other than maybe an alert if something has actually been found, but who knows... maybe Apple will try to keep even that rare occurance a secret


TL;DR edit:
found a link:
https://support.apple.com/de-de/guide/s ... d47bd8/web

[sQeetz]

TL;DR edit:
found a link:
https://support.apple.com/de-de/guide/s ... d47bd8/web

nice. didn't know that

[FapFilter]

yes, i think it's actually quite an elegant solution
problem is: Apple is handling this absolutely intransparently. they say they are updating the definitions every time some new threats appear. And that these services are supposed to look for updates on daily basis, but there is no sign of when / if this is actually happening.
In the installation history you can only see that these services themselves are getting updated every couple of months, but nothing about their definitions. Maybe you indeed are getting regular updates, maybe not - who knows.
Sure, even on Windows it's a bit silly to believe that new threats will be handled with every single of the daily updates, but at least you know that your definitions should be current

And it'd also be nice to be able do manual scans, especially when getting external drives, sticks, etc. from somebody else.
Why having to rely on it when it's already actually opening / installing these files of unknown origin / history, when you could also have an option to right click in Finder and choose something like "scan volume(s) / selected file(s)" beforehand?

[sQeetz]

Unfortunately, that's when external solutions like 'CleanMyMac X' chime in.

[BONES]

Yes, but in some rare cases antivirus may prevent installing the program. What comes to Windows defender, its pretty primitive, year after year it forces choosing ”install anyway” after it has stopped your plugin installation.

I have never in my life been prevented from installing anything on my own computer. The worst you get is that Smart Screen window and all you have to do is press "More Info", then "Install Anyway" and you're away.

[FapFilter]

then Harry should never ever use a Mac. It's asking every time if you want to install something. Also each time at first launch after the installation / update, at least for apps that are not from the App Store.
Some stuff from developers that are not in Apple's database even need some actual hacking in the Terminal to override MacOS's installation preventions.
I actually think this is a good thing though to remind people that they might actually install some unverified stuff onto their systems.
With fingerprint sensors for administrator verifications on most Macs this is still a breeze though, but i've also seen people with no sensor just give " " (space) as their administrator's PW.

[rod_zero]

I have been antivirus free for like 10 years, haven't catch anything, way more important to not visit and download stuff from shady sites.