RapidComposer v4 beta feedback and discussion (locked)
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- KVRAF
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- 6010 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
I think I am using the wrong terminology, please help.
How do you call "the difference between the lowest and highest allowed chord note" in one word? I used the word 'spread' but spread chords mean a different thing. E.g. when you want a complex voicing from C2 to G5.
EDIT: maybe "note range" would be more appropriate
Thanks!
Attila
How do you call "the difference between the lowest and highest allowed chord note" in one word? I used the word 'spread' but spread chords mean a different thing. E.g. when you want a complex voicing from C2 to G5.
EDIT: maybe "note range" would be more appropriate
Thanks!
Attila
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- KVRAF
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Do you mean some chords in the pattern could be transposed to form another chord? That could be added...lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:06 am Good question is there a way that I could import a 4 bar chords and then just hit a button and turn it into 7 chords.
It does that already, it offers different inversions by clicking on "Randomize voicing". You can set 'density' and 'spread' sliders based on the number of chord notes you need, and the note range.lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:06 amWould be very useful if it could intelligently just suggest different inversions without you having to pick them one by one.
Thanks,
Attila
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- KVRist
- 455 posts since 12 Aug, 2015
Attila,musicdevelopments wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:13 amDo you mean some chords in the pattern could be transposed to form another chord? That could be added...lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:06 am Good question is there a way that I could import a 4 bar chords and then just hit a button and turn it into 7 chords.
It does that already, it offers different inversions by clicking on "Randomize voicing". You can set 'density' and 'spread' sliders based on the number of chord notes you need, and the note range.lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:06 amWould be very useful if it could intelligently just suggest different inversions without you having to pick them one by one.
Thanks,
Attila
Oh yeah I see that now
You have gone all out on this one love the timing feature such a smart edition
Do you mean some chords in the pattern could be transposed to form another chord? That could be added..
Yes
Two things iv found
Firstly is there a way that I can just loop one bar or two bar regions I know you have the option at the top 16/4 part but I mean just so I can do it section by section
I know you can do that inside RC itself but I can't see where I can do it inside mutator.
Also this goes hand in hand with a previous request what I notice when I drag a MIDI file onto this it doesn't automatically crop the empty space before the pattern so sometimes you're end up having your notes right at the end of the screen.
This goes with the request about dropping full midi files on to the phrase library could it automatically just chop them into 32 bars
Rather than the whole length of the actual song. As you will never use more than 32 bars of any MIDI file so would save time and space to be able for it to automatically just slice 32 bar sections for each part of MIDI file, for example bassline would be 32 bars, lead line 32 bars etc
Hope that makes sense
Great work on this you really open up a lot of creativity for producers
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- KVRist
- 455 posts since 12 Aug, 2015
Thanks mate I was thinking about if it could be a feature inside mutator.BluGenes wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:49 amTry using the "Phrase Morpher" generator.. It's in the browser..lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:10 am Is it possible to have a option to morph two phrases together as I know you can apply rhythm but it would be great if you could drag another midi and then choose the percentage of how much they morph together.
With the option of choosing how much it Morph
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- KVRAF
- 2152 posts since 15 May, 2017
lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:35 amThanks mate I was thinking about if it could be a feature inside mutator.BluGenes wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:49 amTry using the "Phrase Morpher" generator.. It's in the browser..lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:10 am Is it possible to have a option to morph two phrases together as I know you can apply rhythm but it would be great if you could drag another midi and then choose the percentage of how much they morph together.
With the option of choosing how much it Morph
- KVRian
- 1177 posts since 13 Mar, 2017
Hi.
I've made a video of a few of my observations of RC 4.4b13 as pertain primarily to the MIDI Mutator, its initialization, and its behavior when loading phrases.
https://www.screencast.com/t/ql6xB7mMbEk9
I'm also attaching the file I loaded during the course of the video in case that is of assistance.
Thanks!
I've made a video of a few of my observations of RC 4.4b13 as pertain primarily to the MIDI Mutator, its initialization, and its behavior when loading phrases.
https://www.screencast.com/t/ql6xB7mMbEk9
I'm also attaching the file I loaded during the course of the video in case that is of assistance.
Thanks!
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- KVRAF
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- 6010 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
Hi Steve!
Thanks for the video, and your suggestions!
Now I can see that your phrases are much longer than I thought:

I added a workaround so that 'invisible' parts of resized phrases should not be included.
To be honest I don't like the current complex and confusing way of resizing phrases so this will be heavily simplified in v5.0.
Thanks!
Attila
Thanks for the video, and your suggestions!
Now I can see that your phrases are much longer than I thought:

I added a workaround so that 'invisible' parts of resized phrases should not be included.
To be honest I don't like the current complex and confusing way of resizing phrases so this will be heavily simplified in v5.0.
Thanks!
Attila
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I added a workaround so that 'invisible' parts of resized phrases should not be included.
To be honest I don't like the current complex and confusing way of resizing phrases so this will be heavily simplified in v5.0.
Thanks!
Attila
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One thing I've just noticed which is a little bit frustrating hopefully you can fix,when I open up RC as a VST or even stand-alone.
I can only get piano soundfont inside mutator. Ideally I want to be able to use the sounds inside Ableton or worse case scenario vst inside the standard version especially when you're trying to recreate a baseline line the piano doesn't really give it the justification you want to hear.
Thanks
To be honest I don't like the current complex and confusing way of resizing phrases so this will be heavily simplified in v5.0.
Thanks!
Attila
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One thing I've just noticed which is a little bit frustrating hopefully you can fix,when I open up RC as a VST or even stand-alone.
I can only get piano soundfont inside mutator. Ideally I want to be able to use the sounds inside Ableton or worse case scenario vst inside the standard version especially when you're trying to recreate a baseline line the piano doesn't really give it the justification you want to hear.
Thanks
- KVRian
- 1177 posts since 13 Mar, 2017
Ha, out-of-sight, out-of-mind! My bad.
Thank you very much for this diagnosis!
Q: With things as they are now, what would be the recommended method to set the "hidden" phrase size to match one's current conception as per the visual?
Thank you very much for this diagnosis!
Q: With things as they are now, what would be the recommended method to set the "hidden" phrase size to match one's current conception as per the visual?
- KVRian
- 1177 posts since 13 Mar, 2017
After a bit of futzing around, I now have a Phase info display where the Size does not include the Original Length and Resized Length.
Is there a reason for the disappearance of this info, or should I be seeing it always?
Is there a reason for the disappearance of this info, or should I be seeing it always?
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- KVRAF
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Right, but you can use any track instruments, if you right-click on the PLAY button.lovemusic15 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:31 pm I can only get piano soundfont inside mutator. Ideally I want to be able to use the sounds inside Ableton or worse case scenario vst inside the standard version especially when you're trying to recreate a baseline line the piano doesn't really give it the justification you want to hear.
If you hover the mouse over a button and you see a small triangle at the right bottom corner, then you can right click on it...
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You can check and adjust the phrase length in the "Original Length" field in the inspector.sj1 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:37 pm Q: With things as they are now, what would be the recommended method to set the "hidden" phrase size to match one's current conception as per the visual?
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Yes, if you select multiple phrases, the size is not displayed (obviously the phrases may have different sizes that cannot be described using a single number). However you can change the rest of the settings for all selected phrases.
sj1 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:41 pm After a bit of futzing around, I now have a Phase info display where the Size does not include the Original Length and Resized Length.
Is there a reason for the disappearance of this info, or should I be seeing it always?
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- KVRian
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OK, great, thanks!musicdevelopments wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:59 pm You can check and adjust the phrase length in the "Original Length" field in the inspector.
After doing that though (it worked once), I no longer see the Original Length and Resized Length info on any phrase I subsequently visit.
Per your next comment, I've tried to be sure to select only one at a time, and I think I have done so.
I'm using the same file as above, so you may be able to see the same.
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Not sure how you did that

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