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sQeetz wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:06 pm
BONES wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:05 pm And I've probably been doing this lnoger than you are old.
That's your assumption once again. How old are you? 80? I mean: I'm flattered that you assume I'm about 30? maybe? 35?
in bones world, we're all still in short pants with paper rounds.
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Yeah, agreed on the original of Being Boiled - sounds fantastic to me, bum notes an all.

For me, “big” and “impressive” does not equal “better”. Here’s a record made in 1980 that I think still sounds phenomenal, but it is sparse, strange and awkward. A fantastic song and video, and a production masterpiece.

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If I were to go by what you post, I'd have assumed late adolescence, so I wouldn't feel too flattered if I were you.
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What came to my mind after reading last few comments ;)
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noiseboyuk wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:56 pm Yeah, agreed on the original of Being Boiled - sounds fantastic to me, bum notes an all.

For me, “big” and “impressive” does not equal “better”. Here’s a record made in 1980 that I think still sounds phenomenal, but it is sparse, strange and awkward. A fantastic song and video, and a production masterpiece.


Yes, I completely agree - GWF is totally iconic and certainly (together with Shock the Monkey) one of the most revered songs of the early 80s, at the very least amongst musos - and what a unique song and production it is indeed.

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BONES wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:41 am If I were to go by what you post, I'd have assumed late adolescence, so I wouldn't feel too flattered if I were you.
"Oho!" said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

"Not so! not so!" kettle said to the pot;
"'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean – without blemish or blot –
That your blackness is mirrored in me."

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jens wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:06 pm Exactly my point. It sounds marvellous because they knew exactly what they were doing - a really gifted bunch of musos there...
Did you even read my post? It sounds awful. Really, really awful. It's a great song but that recording is really bad. And they had no idea what they were doing. They were a couple of computer nerds who had taught themselves to play a Korg 700s and a vocalist who owned a saxaphone he couldn't play. And, as I said, they re-recorded Being Boiled a couple of years later, so they obviously weren't too thrilled with the way it sounded, either. It's a song that's amazing, considering how it was done, but that's very different to it actually sounding amazing.
I purposely chose this version - which clearly still is on a whole other planet quality-wise as compared to you own example in my opinion
And when did you hear my version? Oh, that's right, you didn't. So this is a perfect example of your bias - your opinions have no basis in reality.
over the '82 version that is soaked in reverb in comparison/quote]
But also 100% analogue. I don't like the brass they added so I prefer the original. Why KMFDM chose to put it into their 2016 cover is beyond my comprehension.
vurt wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:46 pmin bones world, we're all still in short pants with paper rounds.
No, for the most part you're just brainless morons.
noiseboyuk wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:56 pmFor me, “big” and “impressive” does not equal “better”. Here’s a record made in 1980 that I think still sounds phenomenal, but it is sparse, strange and awkward. A fantastic song and video, and a production masterpiece.
Steve Lillywhite at his masterful best. But if you don't think it sounds "big and impressive", you're mistaken. It's just slow (around 97bpm) but there's a lot of depth to the arrangement. This and Shock The Monkey are far and away my favourite PG songs (not really a fan overall).
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he said your example, not your version.
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Exactly - how would I even know (not that I care any) dude apparently made a cover of being boiled before he gave that bizzare reply (right before calling us "brainless" - oh the irony, the sheer irony of it)

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BONES wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:53 pm
jens wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:06 pm Exactly my point. It sounds marvellous because they knew exactly what they were doing - a really gifted bunch of musos there...
Did you even read my post? It sounds awful. Really, really awful. It's a great song but that recording is really bad. And they had no idea what they were doing.
I read it but considered it utter rubbish - I still do - you come here talking about others having no clue - oh the cheek, the sheer cheek of it!

If you would ask me for the best examples of what is great about analog synthesizers, this (i.e. beilg boiled) would certainly be one of the first things coming to my mind. I chose this original version over the newer one because you can hear the synth dry in all of its own pure glorious greatness. But I am not suprised that this went straight over your head.

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I would just like to take this moment to congratulate Pilonsky and once again, welcome them to KVR.

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we only congratulate those who escape normally?
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We could do both.

Twice as many of these: :party: :party:

That's two little guys with a slice of pizza on their heads and a pipe in their mouths whilst sticking their middle finger up.

We need more of that kind of thing.

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charlie says "pizza is not a hat".
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The Being Boiled thing is funny. The original version linked is the one that everyone plays now, the original (and best). They suffered from the same issue as Bones, in hearing only the flaws where others heard something original and distinctive.

I suppose this is like the legendary demo effect, where an original rough recording of a song made purely for demo purposes contains magic that couldn’t be reproduced with more time, care and quality. Maybe that doesn’t happen so much any more, since a rough project can be endlessly imported and tweaked.
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