Where's the key change? Where's the variation in pace? They both have longish intros but once the drums kick in, that's it; same all the rest of the way through - AAAAA. And what you describe as "evolving" is boring, predicable and largely cliched. Muting one channel's pattern isn't the same as changing the riff up, it's not variation. When you get to about 4:50 in the first one, there is finally a bit of variation in the bassline but up until that point it's exactly the same for four minutes or so. The second one has exactly the same bassline all the way through with absolutely no variation whatsoever, except it gets muted for a few bars a couple of times. To be fair, we've got songs a bit like that but they are the exception for us, not the rule, because it can work but it's boring to listen to that kind of arrangement over and over again. That's why people take drugs at dance parties, so they can put up with that repetitive shit.pixel85 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:46 pmI feel like we didn't listen to the same tracks. A single musical idea? Don't go anywhere? LOL those tracks tell a story and are constantly evolving - something that makes it different from a boring to death ABACB arrangement. If you can't hear that, then there's not much help for you.
That's not a change, that's another part added oveer the top of what was already playing. A minute later he just truncates the riff it was playing for a few mor eminutes, beofre it drops out of the arrangemnt altogether. I think this song is the best of the bunch, it's got way more energy but I still couldn't listen to it all the way through. There'a about 90 seconds where it's exactly teh same patterns reapeated over and over. I could randomly sample 4 bars and for the msot part you wouldn't know which part of the song it had come from.rezoneight wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:16 pmBoth of these songs definitely go somewhere, especially Visions of Nasca. Nice change at 3:40 where its totally full-on Goa.
For the record, I find the songs you linked just as boring as the other ones. Apart from the extra energy in the second one, which is definitel yin the production, I can't see how you could possibly find any of them more or less boring than the others.
Those aren't changes, they are patterns being muted and unmuted. A change would be where the bassline jumps from F to A or the riff changes to something different or the tempo halves for 8 or 16 bars or the drums change but there's none of that.Then a change about a minute later. Followed by another another minute later.
Which is exactly why they are one dimensional and boring. I would hope that our music is equally effective in both situations, and a dozen others. You know, something that gets you through the traffic to your appointment a little faster or makes the job of cutting up your victims and feeding them down the insinkerator a little less tedious.But again, these songs were made for parties and dancing, not sitting and contemplating in a room.
A lot of really shit EBM, no doubt, and there was plenty around.
More likely they discovered how little effort was required compared to writing actual songs.Some EBM artists got bored and did a lot more interesting and trippy music instead. It was more fun and hadn't have to be so freaking serious I guess.
You can't afford to do that with this shite, either. I mean listen to the 5 Goa songs that have been posted - they all use the same little tricks over and over again. If you were interested in the "auditory journey", you'd be bored blue by the third song because its the same journey over and over.There's no "auditory" journey in pop music. Some people just don't get caught up in the actual sounds, the modulations, the nuances, the layers etc.
But the sounds are f**king boring and cliched. The whole thing is so cringeworthy it's almost kind of sad that you don't see it. Yes, our genre is definitely the same but we take the piss out of it all the time.They don't seem to be able to connect to the actual sounds themselfs - for the sounds own being.
There I heard sounds that triggered my imagination. 1h journey through the sound. Even now, after so many years where I learned how to produce several music genres and all their sound design techniques. That old mix still has tracks with sound design that I don't know how to replicate.