KVR Audio

vertibration · Post by **vertibration** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:34 am

jamcat wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:33 am
dayjob wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:53 am
jamcat wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:38 am Refusing to fall in line or bandwagon doesn't make me a troll. That language is just more politicking from people that can't handle dissenting views.
[someone tries something new in the aim of improving their daily lives as developers and making better products with more functionality for the user base of their products]

"why are they trying something new? don't they know it's a waste of time and even though it will effect me in absolutely no way what so ever i raise a voice of dissent because damn these kids with their chewing gum and ear buds. change is bad and they aim to change things" [shakes fist at clouds]
I'm all for them "trying something new." But there is a real cost for other plugin developers to get onboard with it, and not much benefit. So you shouldn't expect to see much movement from the established major developers on that. Code geeks and indie developers who are looking for any way to distinguish themselves will, sure.

For established developers, this as yet unfulfilled promise of an easy CLAP development platform that will magically port to all other platforms rings a bit hollow, because most developers have already invested heavily in their own platform specific frameworks. They would have to backtrack on all of their existing plugins, at the very least, plus redevelop their frameworks for CLAP. Perhaps that will be easier. But this still sounds much more promising for new developers and small developers than large software companies and established developers with lots of products already.

And the cost of customer support still looms large. If CLAP does prove to be a good development platform with built-in wrapping to other platforms, I'd use that for development but not release the CLAP versions. That would mean less overhead support costs with no lost market share. I'd only release the CLAP versions if there was a major host that didn't support any of the other standards.

Dude, what are you talking about LMAO

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:04 am

Something clearly over your head.
Go back to fanboying.

vertibration · Post by **vertibration** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:13 am

jamcat wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:04 am Something clearly over your head.
Go back to fanboying.

Clown

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:18 am

vertibration wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:13 am
jamcat wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:04 am Something clearly over your head.
Go back to fanboying.
Clown

This person has no interest in any sincere conversation and just spouts their own blind negativity. Best to stop feeding the troll. Use the ignore function or just don't reply and the conversation can get back to actually discussing CLAP.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:22 am

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:26 am

There are a lot of DAWs in the market nowadays. I think if Ableton and FL Studio adopted CLAP we would see more uptake from developers as that’s where a lot of users are. Logic is pretty popular too but I don’t see Apple moving away from AU. Though you never know. I think one reason Apple has avoided VST is because of the licensing.

trackbout · Post by **trackbout** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:29 am

The reason CLAP is a big deal is that the two large companies that control the two currently dominant plugin formats have a disgusting amount of leverage over software developers, and they both abuse that leverage frequently, and they both make horrible technology decisions frequently, and they both take actions that are adverse to the developer community frequently. So any developer that is not an absolute muppet, or doesn't work for absolute muppets, will be all over CLAP.

It also happens to already be more advanced than the plugin formats controlled by the two large companies, shocker. I wonder how that will trend over time.

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:57 am

apoclypse wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:26 am There are a lot of DAWs in the market nowadays. I think if Ableton and FL Studio adopted CLAP we would see more uptake from developers as that’s where a lot of users are. Logic is pretty popular too but I don’t see Apple moving away from AU. Though you never know. I think one reason Apple has avoided VST is because of the licensing.

Logic used to support VST plugins. Apple dropped VST support for Logic when they bought Emagic. This is utterly stupid that people regurgitate nonsense about 'licensing' from a handful of disgruntled developers. It wasn't a complaint from anyone prior to VST3, and it's still not a complaint from most. When Apple dropped VST support, VST was still in version 1. They did so because they wanted total control over Logic's plugin interface. It's that plain and simple. And it's why they will never adopt CLAP either. Neither will Steinberg, for the same reason. Even if everyone else dropped VST and AU for CLAP, we'd still have VST3, AU, AAX, and CLAP, and developers would have to cater to all 4 of them to reach 100% of the market. At least as it stands right now, they only have to cater to 3.

vertibration · Post by **vertibration** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:01 am

trackbout wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:29 am The reason CLAP is a big deal is that the two large companies that control the two currently dominant plugin formats have a disgusting amount of leverage over software developers, and they both abuse that leverage frequently, and they both make horrible technology decisions frequently, and they both take actions that are adverse to the developer community frequently. So any developer that is not an absolute muppet, or doesn't work for absolute muppets, will be all over CLAP.

It also happens to already be more advanced than the plugin formats controlled by the two large companies, shocker. I wonder how that will trend over time.

Agreed.....too bad KVR is filled with muppets

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:03 am

You'll find the vast majority of entrenched developers and longtime users have no interest in moving house yet again. That doesn't make them muppets. That makes them rational.

trackbout · Post by **trackbout** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:08 am

Time will tell amigo.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 am

jamcat wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:03 am You'll find the vast majority of entrenched developers and longtime users have no interest in moving house yet again. That doesn't make them muppets. That makes them rational.

Do you want more attention? some hugs maybe?

Boy Wonder · Post by **Boy Wonder** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:20 am

It'll be cool if CLAP, regardless of dev options, allows you to resize every plugin. Then, when the powers that be release a VST to CLAP plugin, I can finally resize those tiny synths I've gotten from Plugins4Free.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:43 am

zvenx wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:38 pm Hmmm.. I know you have been dying to drop that one Urs

I would argue something like Microsoft Word (and RTF) is an industry standard.

I am curious where you got the definitions that you are using from.

rsp

I wish that were the case, so many people cannot open anything saved in those default formats, doesn't make sense. (Mac users probably

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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:44 am

can we please stay on topic

edit: sorry not about you LeVzi

CLAP... thoughts?