Cubase 12 released

[EnGee]

I don't think GA5 has been migrated to the new system, but I'll try to install it again and see. If they allow me to sell them without a dongle, that would be great because it means I can sell it here in the KVR used market without shipping the dongle.

[mountainmaster]

Hmm... what you guys say is very confusing.

It's stated here that you keep the license that you upgraded from: https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-u ... d-products

Why do I have two licenses now?
Steinberg Licensing is not backwards compatible. However, we wanted to preserve the option to use older product versions for compatibility reasons, as this has been a feature of the old eLicenser license management. Now, you can run for instance a Dorico 3.5 license using the eLicenser and a Dorico 4 license using Steinberg Licensing.

It’s confusing, that’s why I’ve emailed them.

I upgraded from 11 & no longer have any Cubase licenses on my eLicenser dongle, just the new license format for 12.

It's confusing. Please let us know what the support is going to tell you. As I'm also thinking of selling my upgraded Cubase 12 Pro license.

Will do!
Out of interest, is your 11 license still on your dongle?

Mine still says " Cubase Pro 11 (Upgraded to Cubase 12 with Steinberg Licensing)"

But then I haven't been able to perform the Online Synchronization & Maintenance for a while because eLC crashes to the desktop when I do so.

Edit: Installing the latest eLC version through the Steinberg Download Manager solved the crash. After performing maintenance it still says " Cubase Pro 11 (Upgraded to Cubase 12 with Steinberg Licensing)".

[EnGee]

I don't think it is possible to move Halion and Groove Agent from the usb dongle to the Activation Manager yet.
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/groove-a ... ser/792183

[LoveEnigma18]

Groove Agent 5 latest version says it supports the new Steinberg Licensing. And so do Padshop 2 and Retrologue 2 as well. I wonder what it means if not that they can be activated/migrated to Steinberg Licensing (and one can potentially get rid of the soft e-licensor).

[dellboy]

Of course it's not in eLicenser, that's the whole idea of this new online licensing system.

The term "eLicenser" is used by Steinberg for both types of licensing.

The license can be either a "USB-eLicenser" , or a Hard-disk license called "Soft-eLicenser". The USB license on my my machine says - "Cubase Pro 11 (upgraded to Cubase 12 with Steinberg licensing").

There is also a Soft-eLicenser with lots of numbers, but when you click on it it does not say what it is for. If I remove the USB dongle I am just left with a Soft-eLicenser with no explanation of what it is for, but Cubase 12 does continue to work.

[chk071]

Now you completely lost me. Where does Steinberg talk about "e-licenses"?

Their former licensing system was called "eLicenser". There is a soft eLicenser (which means that your license is stored on your hard drive), and there's the USB eLicenser, a USB dongle where your license is stored. Both methods use the eLicensers software. Steinberg 11 and below are authorized that way.

Their current licensing system is called "Steinberg Licensing". That one uses the Steinberg Activation Manager software. Cubase 12 is authorized that way (and also Dorico 4, Nuendo 12, VST Live, and Wavelab 11.1).

If that helps. I'm not sure if you really understand the concept.

[Teksonik]

So Steinberg went from the requirement to install licensing software to the requirement to install licensing software? Doesn't sound like a step forward.

The reason I never install Retrologue these days is the requirement to install (yet another) license manager.

[chk071]

So Steinberg went from the requirement to install licensing software to the requirement to install licensing software? Doesn't sound like a step forward.

No, they went from the requirement of using a USB dongle (which is required for former versions of Cubase Pro and Artist, Nuendo, and Wavelab Pro) to a software only licensing method.

Also, you could previously move your license (for products which allow software eLicenser, like Cubase or Wavelab Elements) from software eLicenser onto the USB dongle, to use that for authorizing, but, once you did that, you couldn't move the license back to the software eLicenser.

There were also several issues I had with eLicenser. Two times, the eLicenser servers didn't respond for a few days, so I wasn't able to authorize my newly bought software. Or, I has issues doing the maintenance work in the eLicenser software.

Really, I'm sure the new method will be much better and less trouble free.

[dellboy]

If that helps. I'm not sure if you really understand the concept.

Am I supposed to understand it?

Is that a requirement of owning Cubase?

Was there a course I missed?

Do Steinberg charge money for a course called "understanding our very complicated licensing system"

[chk071]

It's not that complicated really. All that you need to understand is in my post above.

I was just confused about your mention of an "e-license". Sure, you could call it like that, but, I've never read that on the Steinberg website. Or anywhere else.

[dellboy]

It's not that complicated really. All that you need to understand is in my post above.

I was just confused about your mention of an "e-license". Sure, you could call it like that, but, I've never read that on the Steinberg website. Or anywhere else.

Yes, I made a mistake, but I put my glasses on and corrected it, thanks for pointing it out.

[simmo75]

Of course it's not in eLicenser, that's the whole idea of this new online licensing system.

The term "eLicenser" is used by Steinberg for both types of licensing.

The license can be either a "USB-eLicenser" , or a Hard-disk license called "Soft-eLicenser". The USB license on my my machine says - "Cubase Pro 11 (upgraded to Cubase 12 with Steinberg licensing").

There is also a Soft-eLicenser with lots of numbers, but when you click on it it does not say what it is for. If I remove the USB dongle I am just left with a Soft-eLicenser with no explanation of what it is for, but Cubase 12 does continue to work.

It’s not dellboy, eLicenser is the old license system, the new license system is Steinberg licensing.

Like I said, I’ve emailed them and will report back when I get a reply.

[EnGee]

Groove Agent 5 latest version says it supports the new Steinberg Licensing. And so do Padshop 2 and Retrologue 2 as well. I wonder what it means if not that they can be activated/migrated to Steinberg Licensing (and one can potentially get rid of the soft e-licensor).

I guess it will be soon. I'll check in a couple of days.

[Teksonik]

So Steinberg went from the requirement to install licensing software to the requirement to install licensing software? Doesn't sound like a step forward.

No, they went from the requirement of using a USB dongle (which is required for former versions of Cubase Pro and Artist, Nuendo, and Wavelab Pro) to a software only licensing method.

Ahh I see. I only own Retrologue and it only requires the elicenser.

There were also several issues I had with eLicenser. Two times, the eLicenser servers didn't respond for a few days, so I wasn't able to authorize my newly bought software.

Which is why I've been reluctant to install the elicenser on newer systems just to use Retrologue. I've already got iLok, and IK and Native Instruments and Arturia etc elicesners and/or managers installed so after a point it all gets to be bloated. I think I've got more licenser/managers installed than DAWs.

I only own Retrologue 1 which I am told will not be updated to the new system but I can upgrade to version 2 for $50 which I was thinking of doing at some point but I was under the mistaken impression that the new system would not require the installation of different manager software so I'll probably just pass....

[chk071]

Eventually, all their supported products will be migrated to Steinberg Licensing, Retrologue too, although I'm sure, as you say, only version 2 of it will migrated, as version 1 isn't supported anymore.