CLAP... thoughts?

[glokraw]

I don't suppose anyone at all has already mentioned that clap is slang for a common sexually transmitted disease?

The gutter is optional. That argument went down the drain long ago!
Cheers

[dayjob]

I don't suppose anyone at all has already mentioned that clap is slang for a common sexually transmitted disease?

a. it's been mentioned several times.

b. have you ever applauded something? that's called 'clapping'.

c. lots of word have multiple meanings.

d. is that really what you want to add to this discussion?

It having been mentioned several times means what, exactly? That is ISN'T highly relevant?
The name of this standard (or whatever it's called) is VITAL to its success. The word 'clap', when used in conjunction with just about any word that has anything to do with making music, normally means (to 99.9999% of the population, and to search engines) 'the noise you make when you hit your hands together'. So when searching for 'CLAP' and 'FL Studio', or 'Ableton Live', or 'DAW', etc.etc. you get back thousands of results to do with clap samples, or a clap VST that makes CLAP sounds. Do you not see how bad a name 'clap' is now? And in the U.K. it means 'sexually transmitted disease', as in 'He got the clap off that bird he slept with last night'.

The most important thing that needs to be done NOW is to CHANGE THE NAME. Otherwise it's going to cause endless confusion and waste literally millions of hours of people's lives if it takes off, as they search for 'CLAP' (the standard) and get results for 'clap' the sound made by hitting your hands together. How can any of you not see this? Have you never heard of branding? Or marketing?

And if you DON'T want to change the name, before it's too late and there's no going back (because it's become established and it would confuse people even more if you changed the name when millions are using it), why? Do any of you who still want it to be called CLAP know why you are clinging to such an inconvenient word, when it could be literally ANYTHING you want? It could be CLP, it could be anything, just not 'clap'.

Don't believe me, just go to Google and type in
'CLAP Ableton Live'
'CLAP FL Studio'
'CLAP synthesizer'
and anything else remotely music related you can think of.
You won't find what you are looking for, if you're looking for the standard that is 'CLAP'.

Do you not see the problem with this, Urs?

https://urs.silvrback.com/clap

“Since ancient times, clapping has always been deeply associated with music: From the rhythmic clapping at tribal gatherings or concerts, to the iconic clap sound in drum machines. But the ‘high five’ clap signifying shared achievement, closely related to the handshake signifying agreement or mutual appreciation, is another positive association. And that metaphor transcends the duality between host application and plug-in, which meet as equals in CLAP.”

different words mean different things in different places and to different generations. shrug. get over it.

[biomechanoid]

I don't suppose anyone at all has already mentioned that clap is slang for a common sexually transmitted disease?

a. it's been mentioned several times.

b. have you ever applauded something? that's called 'clapping'.

c. lots of word have multiple meanings.

d. is that really what you want to add to this discussion?

a. Really? I'm amazed. Aren't you also going to tell me I should have searched before posting?
b. Ever have anything fly completely over your head?
c. I've really missed KVR.
d. Yes fisherKing, it is. Hence my post. If you didn't like it, you could just have ignored it instead of adding your miserable tuppence.

[Held]

Don't believe me, just go to Google and type in
'CLAP Ableton Live'
'CLAP FL Studio'
'CLAP synthesizer'
and anything else remotely music related you can think of.
You won't find what you are looking for, if you're looking for the standard that is 'CLAP'.

None of those DAWs support CLAP, so what results did you expect? Try 'CLAP Bitwig'. My first result is the announcement of CLAP.

'CLAP synthesizer' has Surge on page 2 for me which is pretty good given that CLAP support hasn't even been released yet.

So googling CLAP plugins shouldn't be an issue at all once more have been released.

[ghettosynth]

The googling of the name issue is real, as anyone who has ever programmed in the R programming language can attest. I can adapt, you just learn to search for cran R, or add some other qualifier, but the name of the project isn't quite as impressive as the project itself.

[fisherKing]

It having been mentioned several times means what, exactly? That is ISN'T highly relevant?
The name of this standard (or whatever it's called) is VITAL to its success. The word 'clap', when used in conjunction with just about any word that has anything to do with making music, normally means (to 99.9999% of the population, and to search engines) 'the noise you make when you hit your hands together'. So when searching for 'CLAP' and 'FL Studio', or 'Ableton Live', or 'DAW', etc.etc. you get back thousands of results to do with clap samples, or a clap VST that makes CLAP sounds. Do you not see how bad a name 'clap' is now? And in the U.K. it means 'sexually transmitted disease', as in 'He got the clap off that bird he slept with last night'.

The most important thing that needs to be done NOW is to CHANGE THE NAME. Otherwise it's going to cause endless confusion and waste literally millions of hours of people's lives if it takes off, as they search for 'CLAP' (the standard) and get results for 'clap' the sound made by hitting your hands together. How can any of you not see this? Have you never heard of branding? Or marketing?

And if you DON'T want to change the name, before it's too late and there's no going back (because it's become established and it would confuse people even more if you changed the name when millions are using it), why? Do any of you who still want it to be called CLAP know why you are clinging to such an inconvenient word, when it could be literally ANYTHING you want? It could be CLP, it could be anything, just not 'clap'.

Don't believe me, just go to Google and type in
'CLAP Ableton Live'
'CLAP FL Studio'
'CLAP synthesizer'
and anything else remotely music related you can think of.
You won't find what you are looking for, if you're looking for the standard that is 'CLAP'.

Do you not see the problem with this, Urs?

i think you're worrying over nothing. the name will be established, and individual developers will offer it when they have it. we'll buy the plugin we want, install it, and use whatever's viable for our DAWs, our setups.

i mean, words like 'vital' and 'diva', ''icarus', 'diversion'... 'zebra', 'hive' etc... all have 'other' meanings, yet no one will confuse the zebra synth with a living zebra...

[fisherKing]

a. Really? I'm amazed. Aren't you also going to tell me I should have searched before posting?
b. Ever have anything fly completely over your head?
c. I've really missed KVR.
d. Yes fisherKing, it is. Hence my post. If you didn't like it, you could just have ignored it instead of adding your miserable tuppence.

you're certainly a lot angrier about this then i am...

[Held]

The googling of the name issue is real, as anyone who has ever programmed in the R programming language can attest. I can adapt, you just learn to search for cran R, or add some other qualifier, but the name of the project isn't quite as impressive as the project itself.

I don't know what search engine you're using, but google has no issues searching for R stuff. Searching 'R loop' for example gives me a bunch explanations of how R loop works. Exactly what I wanted.

Google named their programming languages "Go" and "Dart". They should know if names like that were an issue.

Don't imagine problems that don't exist.

[biomechanoid]

you're certainly a lot angrier about this then i am...

[liquidsound]

As long as the plug-in is not contagious, who gives a sh*t!

[ghettosynth]

Go and Dart also present problems searching. Also, "R Loop" is such an amateur search that it betrays that we are clearly not talking about the same thing. Googling for R related queries is better today than it once was, however, compare R class to Java class and you will see how the difference in popularity and uniqueness of association makes a difference. Java and class together are relatively unambiguous. It's not the end of the world, but it's a valid criticism. To me, it's very much like whitespace in python. I've yet to work on a python project with others where someone's editor preferences doesn't break the build because of tabs and spaces. It's very easy for believers to assert that it isn't a problem, and yet, it crops up regularly.

The fact that the word clap has a common and significant meaning in music production will lead to some annoyance in searching.

Of course, neither Go nor Dart is a well known slang term for an STD. Sorry, I stand by the criticism, it's a terrible name and I bet money that it will eventually be changed. I'm way on board with CLAP, so don't get the wrong idea, but I think that it's reasonable to point out that it's not a good naming choice and it probably should have been ditched while it was cheap to do so.

Look for my first plugin to be released soon: "Burning Unit" a unique distortion plugin in CLAP format only!

[ghettosynth]

i mean, words like 'vital' and 'diva', ''icarus', 'diversion'... 'zebra', 'hive' etc... all have 'other' meanings, yet no one will confuse the zebra synth with a living zebra...

None of those words have a common meaning in audio production. To get an idea search for "bargain reverb" and tell me if that's what you expected? Now, ask yourself if that's only because you are familiar with the platform? Be honest now.

[wilkins_micawber]

As long as the plug-in is not contagious, who gives a sh*t!

I think developers would much prefer it were

[Urs]

Our plan works!

[fisherKing]

i mean, words like 'vital' and 'diva', ''icarus', 'diversion'... 'zebra', 'hive' etc... all have 'other' meanings, yet no one will confuse the zebra synth with a living zebra...

None of those words have a common meaning in audio production. To get an idea search for "bargain reverb" and tell me if that's what you expected? Now, ask yourself if that's only because you are familiar with the platform? Be honest now.

am honestly not sure what your point is. i know, if i search for 'vital', i won't find the plugin. but if i search for 'vital plugin', all is well. can you clarify? thx