Tal J-8

[hebex]

Well, at least if the sounds are allowed to have a bit of the typical 80's aesthetic, you can actually find quite useful sounds in many sets. Often it helps to simply turn off the chorus and double the sound instead. Possibly adjust the calibration knobs of the synthesizer a bit.

How do you like the following demo (sorry, self-promotion... )? You can download all the sounds from it for free, and there are some presets in there that also sound a bit rougher.

https://soundcloud.com/bjoern-bojahr/de ... bb-the-80s

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I guess most of us here, if not all, want the VST-instruments to sound as great as possible and that we´ll be able to take the utmost advantage of their potential, before perhaps shelling exponentially more cash on the hardware equivalents.

Yeah, I downloaded and tried your patches in J-8. With respect and I mean no offense -- some joking and irony aside, I personally strive for honesty and no-BS in this forum -- some of those patches are nice, yes, but they all seem to have a very, very small sweet spot. If you turn away just a slight bit from the patch settings by touching some parameters, cutoff filter or whatever, the patches very quickly turn very digital and sharp to the ears. Something that I don´t think the original hardware would do.

Those patches, in other words, pretty much resemble patches in a rompler. Stay in the small window and it may serve you, but don´t make any substantial adjustments, because then the sound goes off and doesn´t sound like a Jupiter anymore, but like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument.

I might then as well do a search in Omnisphere 2 for Jupiter patches and find even better patches with Jupiter character. I´ll lose the feeling of sitting with a digital version of the actual synth, but IMO with a significantly better sounding engine and other things, effects, hardware integration, etc, massaging the output and/or helping a streamlined workflow.

[zvenx]

Have you played the original hardware?
rsp

[vertibration]

Well, at least if the sounds are allowed to have a bit of the typical 80's aesthetic, you can actually find quite useful sounds in many sets. Often it helps to simply turn off the chorus and double the sound instead. Possibly adjust the calibration knobs of the synthesizer a bit.

How do you like the following demo (sorry, self-promotion... )? You can download all the sounds from it for free, and there are some presets in there that also sound a bit rougher.

https://soundcloud.com/bjoern-bojahr/de ... bb-the-80s

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I guess most of us here, if not all, want the VST-instruments to sound as great as possible and that we´ll be able to take the utmost advantage of their potential, before perhaps shelling exponentially more cash on the hardware equivalents.

Yeah, I downloaded and tried your patches in J-8. With respect and I mean no offense -- some joking and irony aside, I personally strive for honesty and no-BS in this forum -- some of those patches are nice, yes, but they all seem to have a very, very small sweet spot. If you turn away just a slight bit from the patch settings by touching some parameters, cutoff filter or whatever, the patches very quickly turn very digital and sharp to the ears. Something that I don´t think the original hardware would do.

Those patches, in other words, pretty much resemble patches in a rompler. Stay in the small window and it may serve you, but don´t make any substantial adjustments, because then the sound goes off and doesn´t sound like a Jupiter anymore, but like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument.

I might then as well do a search in Omnisphere 2 for Jupiter patches and find even better patches with Jupiter character. I´ll lose the feeling of sitting with a digital version of the actual synth, but IMO with a significantly better sounding engine and other things, effects, hardware integration, etc, massaging the output and/or helping a streamlined workflow.

massaging the output? kinky

[Biome_Digital]

there is no good collection for j-8?

Himalaya, Luftrum, App Sounds, etc etc etc...
rsp

I heard the demos of Luftrum, and also knows the quality work of Himalya, but I have to somehow agree with hebex, I haven't found a patch bank that shows some of the edgier side of Jupiter - compare the demos of Luftrum 24 with the Jupiter demo from Matt Johnson (Jamiroquai) on his youtube channel - there's something edgier and wilder in Matt Johnson demo, and I'm sure that J-8 is capable of these sounds.

Really? You tried mine?

[hebex]

Have you played the original hardware?
rsp

I´ve played and owned several of the nicest hardware analog synths on the market and know that if I turn the parameters just slightly, or even radically, they don´t sound as digital and sharp as the J-8-patches in question.

I´ve unfortunately not played the real Jupiter 8. Still, I would be very surprised if it would sound like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument if I adjusted its presets.

[waltercruz]

Really? You tried mine?

Not yet! Will listen your demos later

[Biome_Digital]

Really? You tried mine?

Not yet! Will listen your demos later

Cool, Also you can download the small free demo pack to play with.

[ToguAudioLine]

There's a trick for legato on J-8, portamento on with a 0 amount works almost 100% fine (and afaik, this is how it works on other TAL synths), with a small caveat: for every non-legato note a bit of portamento happens, and in the Arturia Jup-8 it doesn't happen.

This was the idea to make it possible to have both options. That some portamento happens is a drawback. Luckily things like this are easy to fix.

Maybe we should add a new voice mode. N (Normal -> the current), RR (Round Robin), J8 (original). I made a note about it. Hope i can start with this in the next weeks.

[zvenx]

Have you played the original hardware?
rsp

I´ve played and owned several of the nicest hardware analog synths on the market and know that if I turn the parameters just slightly, or even radically, they don´t sound as digital and sharp as the J-8-patches in question.

I´ve unfortunately not played the real Jupiter 8. Still, I would be very surprised if it would sound like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument if I adjusted its presets.

I think that is a stretch though.
If you played the real hardware and found that you could turn parameters and it sounds very different than turning parameters of the software I imagine your point may be more valid.

rsp

[zvenx]

There's a trick for legato on J-8, portamento on with a 0 amount works almost 100% fine (and afaik, this is how it works on other TAL synths), with a small caveat: for every non-legato note a bit of portamento happens, and in the Arturia Jup-8 it doesn't happen.

This was the idea to make it possible to have both options. That some portamento happens is a drawback. Luckily things like this are easy to fix.

Maybe we should add a new voice mode. N (Normal -> the current), RR (Round Robin), J8 (original). I made a note about it. Hope i can start with this in the next weeks.

+1 Vote..
rsp

[hebex]

Have you played the original hardware?
rsp

I´ve played and owned several of the nicest hardware analog synths on the market and know that if I turn the parameters just slightly, or even radically, they don´t sound as digital and sharp as the J-8-patches in question.

I´ve unfortunately not played the real Jupiter 8. Still, I would be very surprised if it would sound like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument if I adjusted its presets.

I think that is a stretch though.
If you played the real hardware and found that you could turn parameters and it sounds very different than turning parameters of the software I imagine your point may be more valid.

rsp

Still, I would be very surprised if the hardware Jupiter 8 would sound like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument if I adjusted its presets.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Maybe we should add a new voice mode. N (Normal -> the current), RR (Round Robin), J8 (original). I made a note about it. Hope i can start with this in the next weeks.

I think that would work. Appreciate your attention to detail and being willing to make these tweaks along the way!

[zvenx]

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Still, I would be very surprised if the hardware Jupiter 8 would sound like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument if I adjusted its presets.

If this is the way you feel how it sounds ( I don't) then maybe the J-8 is not for you.
Simple.
rsp

[hebex]

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Still, I would be very surprised if the hardware Jupiter 8 would sound like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument if I adjusted its presets.

If this is the way you feel how it sounds ( I don't) then maybe the J-8 is not for you.
Simple.
rsp

Either I am with you or I am against you, right?

There is no room for improvement of the J-8 or any other VST-instruments? All classic hardware synths are from this moment perfectedly cloned in VST-format, discussions closed? And if some people don´t believe this, the VST-instruments "simply may not be for them", right?

Who are you speaking for? The developers? Or are you just a self appointed authority person with a sectarian mindset, trying to "protect" KvR and the VST-instrument community from any critique?

Then let me tell you, with that approach you are NOT protecting any VST developer and you are NOT doing the KvR-/VST-instrument community any service. If you´d actually read my responses to the posts above, I would hope you would have had a more sensible approach to what I intend to be constructive critique. Constructive critique never hurt anybody. On the contrary, without that things stagnate.

[zvenx]

You want it to improve to become a better jupiter 8 which you have never played in person and you are hypothesizing what it sounds like as the knobs turn.
What is the point of me trying to have a sensible discussion with you on that?
You have your opinion not based on any reality of the real instrument.

If you had played with one so you know first hand, or even presented audio/video evidence of a real jupiter doing stuff that the j-8 doesn't do well, that would be different.

How is it sounds like "any ordinary digital sounding VST- instrument" constructive criticism?

You have your opinions about the sound which you are clearly entitled too.. but that doesn't make your opinions fact.

This I consider constructive criticism:

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... stcount=93

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... tcount=140

cause he has a jupiter 8 presently and can compare directly.

rsp