Acustica Audio FIRE The Pan. Add New Dimension to Your Mixes.

[plexuss]

I tried The Pan on a 14 track rock piece with no vocals. I hear what you are referring to. It's not subtle. I'ts like some strange bad EQ/comb filter or something. I did a mix with the 14 tracks, completely dry, but with panning and level set in the DAW (Reaper). Did a bounce. Then, I put The Pan on each track and carefully set each to close to the same pan position on the DAW. I then centred the DAW pan and rendered. I used 053-3D ANALOG NmKM100 Raw on each.

Strange... it doen't seem right to me.

Then the "raw" version of the dummy head is the worst choice you could make. [snip...]

I would help maybe if I RTMF. I changed the model to the 025 Navy. Now it sound better and closer to the DAW panned. On first listen any changes are subtle. But that "bad sound" is gone. I didn't realize the other model I used would sound bad. Thanks for the info!

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

Perhaps those of you who seemed to immediately hear something bad could point us in the right direction? What specifically were you hearing that sounded bad? I'd like to identifiy these issues too.

As I said before it makes my source audio sound muddy and muted. Like some EQ was applied and not in a pleasant way. It's not subtle at all and is easily heard. I advise using quality headphones for the test.

I simply don't like the sound of the plugin and that's just my personal opinion. I'm sure others will disagree and that's fine. There is no right or wrong only personal preference.

Anyway as luck would have it Rob Papen just released a free panner. I don't think it has all the magic snake oil "3D Panning" stuff the Acustica plugin claims to have but I haven't tried it yet. Will do later today. It's free, doesn't require the installation of another program just to install it, and likely will not take up hundreds of megs of drive space so there is that going for it....

https://ymlp.com/z2s5tg?fbclid=IwAR2rx5 ... SLWI#rppan

EDIT: I tried Rob Papen's panner and it's nice. Does what it says on the tin, auto pans etc. Doesn't have any negative effect on the source audio here. Nothing spectacular but the Doppler and Spring Back effects are interesting.

The comment I wrote earlier applies to you, we have sampled virtually every panner that exists on the market and combined them into one product. It is possible that some panners do not fit, but it is impossible that there is no panner that fits you.
It is not a matter of personal choice, simply because panners are fully represented in this plugin.
Some are fully digital and simply have the main panning laws. Others allow you to switch between the panning law of one daw and another (because with the same panning law some daws sound different).
Some are 3d panner, 2d circular panners sampled from plugins and even optionally enhanced with the intervention of a control on the left slider. Others are digital 2d panners that perform slight phase shifts (they are always software products).
Then there are console panners, sampled by holding the sound of the transformer. In other cases there are the same consoles rendered "perfect," without the sound the transformer.
We also sampled the ambisonic panners of some plugins and linearized them (this is an optional operation always under control of a slider).
Then we sampled dummy heads and multicapsula microphones, and this category may be at the category that creates the most curiosity but may not work for everyone, because they are panners that require equalization intervention by the engineer. That is why we have provided linearized versions with different smoothing options. But still they may not fit. That is why we have combined these results with digital panning laws (the ultrapanners). We also added a mix slider because it still might not work for some people. Finally, we combined them with panning laws derived directly from consoles.

Pretty much everything that exists in terms of panners is represented in this plugin-if you find something that you think is not represented let us know and we will add it.

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

I tried The Pan on a 14 track rock piece with no vocals. I hear what you are referring to. It's not subtle. I'ts like some strange bad EQ/comb filter or something. I did a mix with the 14 tracks, completely dry, but with panning and level set in the DAW (Reaper). Did a bounce. Then, I put The Pan on each track and carefully set each to close to the same pan position on the DAW. I then centred the DAW pan and rendered. I used 053-3D ANALOG NmKM100 Raw on each.

Strange... it doen't seem right to me.

Then the "raw" version of the dummy head is the worst choice you could make. [snip...]

I would help maybe if I RTMF. I changed the model to the 025 Navy. Now it sound better and closer to the DAW panned. On first listen any changes are subtle. But that "bad sound" is gone. I didn't realize the other model I used would sound bad. Thanks for the info!

I am glad to have helped you!
In fact, I had understood that Fire The Pan may seem like a "simple" panner, and maybe one tries a panner or two, finds a result they don't like, and thinks the whole product is no good.
The point is that any panner is represented in this plugin, including console panning which is something I have never seen in other plugins.

[Teksonik]

The comment I wrote earlier applies to you, we have sampled virtually every panner that exists on the market and combined them into one product. It is possible that some panners do not fit, but it is impossible that there is no panner that fits you.

It's impossible for you to say what fits me.

As I said I do not like this plugin and I think the whole concept of a sampled panner is a silly gimmick designed to sucker less experienced people by using buzzwords such as "Analog" and "3-D". Like someone posted before this is a solution looking for a problem.

I get you defending your work but the plugin simply has no use for me. Sorry that's just my opinion formed by testing it thoroughly twice. As I posted before I wouldn't use it even if it were free.

I have deleted the plugin and will move on.....

[jens]

we have sampled virtually all the digital and analog panners of all the competitors in addition to adding our own. The digital panners then have no impact on frequency or phase, and there are 66 of them.

So you sampled 66 digital processes, using a complex digital method that results in a reproducing mechanism that uses significant ressources (memory, CPU, diskspace), allows no discrete realtime control for most parameters and only reproduces a limited number of snapshots of said digital processes? Wow!

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

on my pc this pan ranges between 0.1% and 0.2% even for sampled ones and I don’t know how you can get a dummy head panning without it. There are no “snapshots”

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

The comment I wrote earlier applies to you, we have sampled virtually every panner that exists on the market and combined them into one product. It is possible that some panners do not fit, but it is impossible that there is no panner that fits you.

It's impossible for you to say what fits me.

As I said I do not like this plugin and I think the whole concept of a sampled panner is a silly gimmick designed to sucker less experienced people by using buzzwords such as "Analog" and "3-D". Like someone posted before this is a solution looking for a problem.

I get you defending your work but the plugin simply has no use for me. Sorry that's just my opinion formed by testing it thoroughly twice. As I posted before I wouldn't use it even if it were free.

I have deleted the plugin and will move on.....

I completely understand that a user is not interested in a product, and it happens every day.
Unfortunately, there are dummy heads and multicapsule mics, and someone unluckily uses them to work. Others are interested in a compatibility layer between pan laws of different sequencers. Others are interested in a pan law of a specific console.
Does that apply to everyone? i would say no
But to think that because a product doesn't serve one's workflow then it doesn't serve others, forgive me, I find that excessive.
A week ago Howie was with us in italy and was impressed with the sound of simple pan on a master, he found it very engaging. Does everyone need it? maybe not. Does it serve you? Definitely not. Can we draw conclusions for everyone? No

[Teksonik]

The comment I wrote earlier applies to you, we have sampled virtually every panner that exists on the market and combined them into one product. It is possible that some panners do not fit, but it is impossible that there is no panner that fits you.

It's impossible for you to say what fits me.

As I said I do not like this plugin and I think the whole concept of a sampled panner is a silly gimmick designed to sucker less experienced people by using buzzwords such as "Analog" and "3-D". Like someone posted before this is a solution looking for a problem.

I get you defending your work but the plugin simply has no use for me. Sorry that's just my opinion formed by testing it thoroughly twice. As I posted before I wouldn't use it even if it were free.

I have deleted the plugin and will move on.....

But to think that because a product doesn't serve one's workflow then it doesn't serve others, forgive me, I find that excessive.

I find your hype for this product to be excessive. If other people find the concept of a sample based panner plugin to be anything more than snake oil and placebo then more power to them.

I'll quote what I wrote before:

"I get you defending your work but the plugin simply has no use for me. Sorry that's just my opinion formed by testing it thoroughly twice. As I posted before I wouldn't use it even if it were free".

Like I said I've uninstalled the plugin and moved on but if you keep quoting me all you're doing is dragging me back into the fray.

[Ploki]

Devs really are running out of ideas. There’s nothing more to be done, only sales

[Teksonik]

Devs really are running out of ideas. There’s nothing more to be done, only sales

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Instead of developing plugins that serve a purpose some developers are releasing plugins that are looking for a purpose.

I feel sorry for developers these days because it's getting harder and harder to be truly innovative without being gimmicky.

There's not a lot of room left to create something new these days but there is always room to create something better.

[The Noodlist]

- the panning law is derived from software or even consoles such as SAND, PINK and so on

I think the owners of Acqua channel strips, such as Sand, should get the pan with their Acqua consoles. Sand pan sold separately, this should be part of Sand, IMO.