Lindell SBC (Api 2500)

[Teksonik]

Crazy anyone would make up their mind on a plugin based on some YouTube video.

Anyway I'm demoing the plugin now and to be honest I prefer the VCA compressor in the Lindell 50 channel strip to the Lindell SBC when set to exactly the same values, at least in preliminary testing.

I'm certainly not hearing $129 worth of difference so far.

At this point would I buy the SBC? Yea sure at $20 or so just because I'm a hopeless plugin addict.

But as always there is an easy to try demo so that's what everybody should do...

[Meester Smeeeth]

It’s not really $129 though is it.

All PA plugins are $30.99 with the forever 29 ‘sub’ thing. Just cancel it straight away and you have any plugin you like. Rinse and repeat if you want more than 1 plugin for $31 each month.

nobody should ever pay more than $30.99 for a plug1in — that’s pretty much official now. Despite the continued crazy ‘list’ price shenanigans.

[Recourt]

SBC sounds more 3d and is more flexible than the VCA in the 50 series. Similar character though. I compared them on rhythm bus for a mix I'm working on and ended up replacing 50 Series VCA with SBC. It takes some work to dial in though. I'm also running it at 8x OS. It falls apart at 16x os on my rig in an 88k project.

[Teksonik]

It’s not really $129 though is it.

All PA plugins are $30.99 with the forever 29 ‘sub’ thing. Just cancel it straight away and you have any plugin you like. Rinse and repeat if you want more than 1 plugin for $31 each month.

nobody should ever pay more than $30.99 for a plug1in — that’s pretty much official now. Despite the continued crazy ‘list’ price shenanigans.

It's listed at $129 if you don't want to jump through the Forever 29 hoops.

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"Don't pay list price for PA plugins" has been solid advice for a very long time now. I own a ton of PA plugins and I've never paid anything near list price for any of them. The Forever 29 plan is just the latest PA scheme.

At any rate I tried the SBC demo again, this time on a mix and once again the Comp in the Lindell 50 sounded better to me on the same settings.

So I'm not hearing even $30.99 worth of improvement in the SBC over the Lindell 50.

[Teksonik]

SBC sounds more 3d and is more flexible than the VCA in the 50 series.

Not to me it doesn't. The 50 sounds much better and is just as flexible but then I always stay away from the "Nuke" button on any PA plugin.

But we all have different source material and different preferences. For $31 the SBC is a perfectly fine compressor.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

If I were seriously considering getting the SBC, I'd be sure to demo TrackComp2 and try out the 2k5 model against it.

Yeah, TrackComp2 doesn't have the cool "looks like the hardware GUI", but you get a ton of insanely well-programmed circuit modeled comps. I've compared it to my hardware SSL clone, LA2A clone, and 1176 clone, and TrackComp2 is just as good IMO in those modes. I've also compared it to the UAD API 2500, which I also have, and the 2k5 model compares favorably.

I like the Lindell stuff, but if you had TrackComp2, you don't really need this unless you want the pretty UI. And TrackComp2 is a better value. But if one really wants to buy SBC because you're a plugin collector (I'm guilty of that too), then I get it.

[Teksonik]

I've already got a ton of compressors but I'm always willing to try a new one. TrackComp2 seems like a great compressor but at $104 a bit more than I would spend for another comp at this point.

I'd only buy the SBC if it comes down to around $20 and even then it would be more a "collector" buy.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

TrackComp at $100 replaces:

1. SSL Buss Comp
2. SSL Channel Comp
3. 1176 Rev A
4. 1176 Rev D
5. LA2A
6. API 2500
7. Chandler Zener
8. DBX 160

…That’s way better value than buying a bunch of plugins at $30 or more. They are not crappy approximations either. They are as good, or better, than dedicated plug-ins for those compressors put out by major manufacturers.

Just saying.

[Teksonik]

Ok you get salesman of the month award.

[SoftSynthLover99]

TrackComp at $100 replaces:

1. SSL Buss Comp
2. SSL Channel Comp
3. 1176 Rev A
4. 1176 Rev D
5. LA2A
6. API 2500
7. Chandler Zener
8. DBX 160

…That’s way better value than buying a bunch of plugins at $30 or more. They are not crappy approximations either. They are as good, or better, than dedicated plug-ins for those compressors put out by major manufacturers.

Just saying.

Ok you’ve got me intrigued for Trackcomp 2 now lol. Think I will give it a demo as I’ve been hearing multiple people recommend it.

Logics compressor and Fabfilter C2 are my go to for that “swiss army knife” compressor.

Will give SBC a go later and see how it holds up as well.

[dionenoid]

Crazy anyone would make up their mind on a plugin based on some YouTube video.

Crazy that anyone would hear something in that video that makes them wanna demo it.

[Teksonik]

Crazy anyone would make up their mind on a plugin based on some YouTube video.

Crazy that anyone would hear something in that video that makes them wanna demo it.

Crazy that anyone would trust YouTube audio.

[SoundPorn]

You're just throwing out cliche talking points from any software vs hardware debate because for starters as Dom even said in the video, the 2500 at fast attack is known for it's clickiness so the plugin sounding clicky in this case would make it accurate.

Here it is:
Dom Sigalas - Does this REALLY sound like an API? Lindell SBC

Crazy how the guy doesn't hear how bad the plugin is compared to the hardware. In that vid the Lindell pumps and sounds stressed and clicky. While the hardware adds punch without pumping, as it should.

[Trancit]

You're just throwing out cliche talking points from any software vs hardware debate because for starters as Dom even said in the video, the 2500 at fast attack is known for it's clickiness so the plugin sounding clicky in this case would make it accurate.

Here it is:
Dom Sigalas - Does this REALLY sound like an API? Lindell SBC

Crazy how the guy doesn't hear how bad the plugin is compared to the hardware. In that vid the Lindell pumps and sounds stressed and clicky. While the hardware adds punch without pumping, as it should.

+1
Everybody hears what he wants to hear and I cannot tell any bigger pumping issues between the 2 either...
To me they sound very very similar and I bet noone would stand a blind test if there wouldn´t be a direct A/B comparison...

Nonetheless I think Trackcomp 2 is the far better deal...

[jens]

Here it is:
Dom Sigalas - Does this REALLY sound like an API? Lindell SBC

Crazy how the guy doesn't hear how bad the plugin is compared to the hardware. In that vid the Lindell pumps and sounds stressed and clicky. While the hardware adds punch without pumping, as it should.

Yes, I was thinking more or less the exact same thing.