Dawesome Novum (A Granular Synth for Creative Sampling)

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Biome_Digital
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2065 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:05 am

Neon Breath wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:24 pm
gondii wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:52 pm some great ideas in here..
Yes, but sooooo many :lol:

If that continues, Novum won't be Peter's creation but it'll be more like the KVR's bastard child :hihi:
Bring it on! :lol:

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PetVor
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75 posts since 11 Aug, 2015

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:39 am

Thank you for all the proposals and ideas - I find this very precious feedback and it will for sure influence the further development of Novum! So please keep them coming!

In general:
* Features that are easy, fit will in the philosophy, and will not clutter the UIX -> these will come for sure (eg PITCH JIT)
* Features that will tax the CPU like x2 or x3 -> These will most likely not come ... but I may find ways to achieve the same endgoal with slightly different approach
* There are some features where I am heavily resistant because they are against the central design goals for Novum.

To give an example:
Novum is centered around the idea of "make expressive instrument from a single sample". There are many excellent multi-sample Player, like Kontakt. There are awesome and had grown over decades. While this is great, making a multi-samples sound is a huge investment of time, from the recording, the pre-processing, the mapping, the looping ... this is so much effort that we (musicians) tend to leave this completely to companies who specialised on this. Thats fine, but Novum does not try to be this. Novum wants to be something that is instantly inspiring and is able to take any single sample into something that you can use in a musical context (or SFX context).
You may argue that we need multi-sampling, round robins etc to make it sound great across the keyboard. But this is mixing the problem ("I don't want mickey-mousing for high pitches, I want my low end to sound less dull") with a potential solution ("Please give us multi-samples"). Why do we tend to mix this? Because we are all used to what we know, and IMHO the industry has not been to creative over the last decade to develop alternative solutions. I am working on technology that allows to detect the formants from a single sample and allows pitch shifting while maintaining the formants. If I get this to work it will address the original issue, but w/o multi-samples. This will come with the benefit that you get some additional parameters to shape sound, like formant shifting. Will it replace multi-sampled instruments like VSL? For sure not!

In the end - what counts for you is that your use-cases are adressed - not the underlying technology I use. So at least for me it is much easier if you express the usecases that you miss, explain what you would like to achieve, instead of proposing a specific solution. (This is not meant as criticism!)

I hope this makes some sense!?

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KVRAF
3966 posts since 26 Jan, 2006 from :noitacoL

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:44 am

PetVor wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:40 pm
Download SOphist wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:34 am minor question: I´ve been going through the manual tutorials and I can't find the 808 loop patch... should I reinstall the basics patch?
Ah, this is an inconsistency between the manual and the pack, I had removed the "808 LOOP" from the pack because its not a real usable patch and was just there as a training example.

You can download it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LGe4_- ... sp=sharing

Just drag and drop the patch to the patch selector (the patch name in the upper left), or use "LOAD PATCH ..."
thanks, Peter!
member of the guild of professional dilettantes.

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WasteLand
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2490 posts since 8 Jun, 2018

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:38 am

PetVor wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:39 am Thank you for all the proposals and ideas - I find this very precious feedback and it will for sure influence the further development of Novum! So please keep them coming!

In general:
* Features that are easy, fit will in the philosophy, and will not clutter the UIX -> these will come for sure (eg PITCH JIT)
* Features that will tax the CPU like x2 or x3 -> These will most likely not come ... but I may find ways to achieve the same endgoal with slightly different approach
* There are some features where I am heavily resistant because they are against the central design goals for Novum.

To give an example:
Novum is centered around the idea of "make expressive instrument from a single sample". There are many excellent multi-sample Player, like Kontakt. There are awesome and had grown over decades. While this is great, making a multi-samples sound is a huge investment of time, from the recording, the pre-processing, the mapping, the looping ... this is so much effort that we (musicians) tend to leave this completely to companies who specialised on this. Thats fine, but Novum does not try to be this. Novum wants to be something that is instantly inspiring and is able to take any single sample into something that you can use in a musical context (or SFX context).
You may argue that we need multi-sampling, round robins etc to make it sound great across the keyboard. But this is mixing the problem ("I don't want mickey-mousing for high pitches, I want my low end to sound less dull") with a potential solution ("Please give us multi-samples"). Why do we tend to mix this? Because we are all used to what we know, and IMHO the industry has not been to creative over the last decade to develop alternative solutions. I am working on technology that allows to detect the formants from a single sample and allows pitch shifting while maintaining the formants. If I get this to work it will address the original issue, but w/o multi-samples. This will come with the benefit that you get some additional parameters to shape sound, like formant shifting. Will it replace multi-sampled instruments like VSL? For sure not!

In the end - what counts for you is that your use-cases are adressed - not the underlying technology I use. So at least for me it is much easier if you express the usecases that you miss, explain what you would like to achieve, instead of proposing a specific solution. (This is not meant as criticism!)

I hope this makes some sense!?
complete sense! more than.... it is a unique synth with unique properties...
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KVRAF
2350 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:29 am

PetVor wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:39 am
In the end - what counts for you is that your use-cases are adressed - not the underlying technology I use. So at least for me it is much easier if you express the usecases that you miss, explain what you would like to achieve, instead of proposing a specific solution. (This is not meant as criticism!)

I hope this makes some sense!?
absolutely core design principles expressed here - users express what they wish to achieve, designer figures out how to implement that. Respect for everyone all round.

Excellent! :tu: :clap:

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Tj Shredder
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7468 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 am

This was always my never ending struggle as assistant for contemporary music composers who wanted to make an electronic piece… I had to remind them on sticking to compositional ideas and leave the way how to achieve this technically to me. If they listened, the result was always more rewarding and also more interesting for both of us… I had the fun part to invent technical solutions, and the composer could radically free her mind from technical restrictions…

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Biome_Digital
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2065 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:20 am

PetVor wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:39 am Thank you for all the proposals and ideas - I find this very precious feedback and it will for sure influence the further development of Novum! So please keep them coming!

In general:
* Features that are easy, fit will in the philosophy, and will not clutter the UIX -> these will come for sure (eg PITCH JIT)
* Features that will tax the CPU like x2 or x3 -> These will most likely not come ... but I may find ways to achieve the same endgoal with slightly different approach
* There are some features where I am heavily resistant because they are against the central design goals for Novum.

To give an example:
Novum is centered around the idea of "make expressive instrument from a single sample". There are many excellent multi-sample Player, like Kontakt. There are awesome and had grown over decades. While this is great, making a multi-samples sound is a huge investment of time, from the recording, the pre-processing, the mapping, the looping ... this is so much effort that we (musicians) tend to leave this completely to companies who specialised on this. Thats fine, but Novum does not try to be this. Novum wants to be something that is instantly inspiring and is able to take any single sample into something that you can use in a musical context (or SFX context).
You may argue that we need multi-sampling, round robins etc to make it sound great across the keyboard. But this is mixing the problem ("I don't want mickey-mousing for high pitches, I want my low end to sound less dull") with a potential solution ("Please give us multi-samples"). Why do we tend to mix this? Because we are all used to what we know, and IMHO the industry has not been to creative over the last decade to develop alternative solutions. I am working on technology that allows to detect the formants from a single sample and allows pitch shifting while maintaining the formants. If I get this to work it will address the original issue, but w/o multi-samples. This will come with the benefit that you get some additional parameters to shape sound, like formant shifting. Will it replace multi-sampled instruments like VSL? For sure not!

In the end - what counts for you is that your use-cases are adressed - not the underlying technology I use. So at least for me it is much easier if you express the usecases that you miss, explain what you would like to achieve, instead of proposing a specific solution. (This is not meant as criticism!)

I hope this makes some sense!?
Sounds great! :tu:

AtomOfScent
KVRist
81 posts since 18 Mar, 2004

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:17 am

Finally something new!
This looks very interesting. It seems it would take time to really learn, but thankfully just randomly experimenting leads to interesting results.

Pretty great for a 1.0, but even better that the dev is open to suggestions/feedback to make it even better. :tu:

One thing I'd love to see is a global randomize feature for creating new presets. Ideally each section could also be randomized individually (layers, envelopes, FX, modulation), but more settings could also be locked so we can keep the parts of a patch we like. Having a modifier when randomizing so settings are only subtly changed would be a great way to experiment with making slight variations of favorite presets
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c_voltage
KVRAF
2100 posts since 16 May, 2004 from Soviet Union

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:30 am

werp wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:01 pm I'll buy this thing for certain in September or so...Two upcoming birthdays of close family members, a maxed out credit card and two weeks worth skiing at Perisher/Guthega in three weeks time have knocked an "Instabuy" on the head for me right now.
I dunno what it does but I'll find out.
I would buy right now too, but did invest in softube modular this time (and next month), just good sale at PB. But definitely in the list.

carllackey
KVRist
375 posts since 7 May, 2009

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:53 pm

tried everything and i cant seem to drag a loop from my library into novum. any suggestions?

Kalamata Kid
KVRAF
5295 posts since 27 Jul, 2001 from Tarpon Springs, Florida, USA

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:30 pm

For those that want multi-samples or some additional complexity how about running two instances of Novum as a single VST and have one small panel with few buttons that controls both.

Ok, take the tomatoes out of the can before throwing them to me.

kraster
KVRer
26 posts since 8 Jan, 2022

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:33 pm

Is there anyway of resetting lfos/Sequencer modulators when pressing play on the daw? (So they essentially run their full cycle but the phase is synced to the daw's start and stop)

They seem to operate in free run mode with no reset or retriggered via midi note. But no option to reset the start when you press play on the daw.

Use case:

Say I want to have a sequence of 16th notes but I want the lfo/seq (e.g. Controlling a filter) to play it's full cycle but always restart when pressing play on the daw.

Phase plant has a clever implementation. It will reset the lfo to the host clock only if the lfo is synced to midi. If it's in hz mode it ignores the DAW play and free runs without resetting.

Also, right click drag to replace envelopes into slots would be a nice workflow addition. (basically emulating the shift drag into slots)

That being said this instrument is blowing my mind. It's an absolutely phenomenal piece of work. Can't wait for the pitch jitter.
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KVRAF
2350 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:36 pm

Kalamata Kid wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:30 pm For those that want multi-samples or some additional complexity how about running two instances of Novum as a single VST and have one small panel with few buttons that controls both.

Ok, take the tomatoes out of the can before throwing them to me.
compared to just having two instances doesnt make much sense given the controls

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plexuss
KVRAF
5029 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:16 pm

I've been working with Novum in Unify. Multiple instances layered and mapped to the keyboard and some animated with arp etc. Novum+Unify is a very powerful combination!

carllackey
KVRist
375 posts since 7 May, 2009

Post Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:26 am

nobody can help with a simple question?

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