Lindell SBC (Api 2500)

[jens]

Ok you get salesman of the month award.

But he is obviously right, of course - it is basically the same kind of comparison as something like Amplitude or TH-U vs. all the individual PA amps (which I mostly love btw). It would be bizarre to claim Amplitude and TH-U are more expensive than those, even if you get them for 30bucks each...

[jens]

Crazy that anyone would trust YouTube audio.

It's called experience and knowing what you can and can not hear via such a system (same as yoour monitoring headphones and speakers btw.)

[jens]

You're just throwing out cliche talking points from any software vs hardware debate because for starters as Dom even said in the video, the 2500 at fast attack is known for it's clickiness so the plugin sounding clicky in this case would make it accurate.

No, there is often a huge, obvious difference between both devices - it's far from subtle - while Dom claims they sound near identical.

[dionenoid]

You're just throwing out cliche talking points from any software vs hardware debate because for starters as Dom even said in the video, the 2500 at fast attack is known for it's clickiness so the plugin sounding clicky in this case would make it accurate.

No compressor (whether software or hardware) should pump or click when only doing a few db of gain change. That's what ppl call compression artifacts. And in that vid you can clearly hear these artifacts in the software, not in the hardware.

[kraster]

No compressor (whether software or hardware) should pump or click when only doing a few db of gain change. That's what ppl call compression artifacts. And in that vid you can clearly hear these artifacts in the software, not in the hardware.

Define a "few db"

Even 3db of gain change with a really fast attack will produce an audible click.

There was a lot more than 3db gain reduction here.

The API 2500 is well known for this characteristic anyway.

Part of its characteristic sound is that transient respons

[Teksonik]

Ok you get salesman of the month award.

But he is obviously right, of course - it is basically the same kind of comparison as something like Amplitude or TH-U vs. all the individual PA amps (which I mostly love btw). It would be bizarre to claim Amplitude and TH-U are more expensive than those, even if you get them for 30bucks each...

If you'll actually bother to read what I wrote:

TrackComp2 seems like a great compressor but at $104 a bit more than I would spend for another comp at this point.

I'd only buy the SBC if it comes down to around $20 and even then it would be more a "collector" buy.

You'll realize I didn't say anything like "more expensive". Again I said "a bit more than I would spend for another comp at this point".

Crazy that anyone would trust YouTube audio.

It's called experience and knowing what you can and can not hear via such a system (same as yoour monitoring headphones and speakers btw.)

I prefer the real experience of trying the demo and deciding for myself on my source material. If someone thinks listening to a YT video is better than actually trying the plugin then that indicates a total lack of experience to me......

Anyway I've tried the TrackComp2 demo and I like it although it's not something that absolutely blows me away. I would certainly purchase it over the SBC if the price were comparable. For the record I'm not that impressed with the SBC either but would probably pick it up for $20 just as I would TrackComp2 if it were $20.

But again I've already got a ton of comps so $104 is more than I would pay for any comp at this point.

[Teksonik]

Let me put it another way. The API 2500 hardware is over $3,100 so how many people are actually going to buy one?

So whether the plugin sounds like the hardware or not is completely irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is how the plugin (any plugin) sounds on your source material in your music.

Like the plugin? Buy it. Don't like the plugin? Then pass.

The information needed to make that decision is best made by demoing the plugin rather than relying on any wonky YT video and audio. It's free and easy to demo, and takes very little time.

[masterhiggins]

Like the plugin? Buy it. Don't like the plugin? Then pass.

This statement should end about 95% of KVR threads.

[jens]

No, it shouldn't. We like to talk about gear. That is what we are here for. Don't like it? Then don't participate. Don't even look at it. It really comes down to that.

[gentleclockdivider]

Api 2500 is my single most favorite compressor of all time so im a bit jazzed about this one...
Ofc the pricing is very steep, which means I will never ever be able to afford it but still, cant say Im not curious about it..

Try DMG Trackcomp. Best API 2500 emulation available.

There used to be some drastic differences with the 2.5K when using ( intrnal) oversampling .

[masterhiggins]

No, it shouldn't. We like to talk about gear. That is what we are here for. Don't like it? Then don't participate. Don't even look at it. It really comes down to that.

Holy shit that’s deep.

[jens]

No, far from it. And yet many seem to struggle with this simple concept.

[astralprojection]

Api 2500 is my single most favorite compressor of all time so im a bit jazzed about this one...
Ofc the pricing is very steep, which means I will never ever be able to afford it but still, cant say Im not curious about it..

Try DMG Trackcomp. Best API 2500 emulation available.

Thanks will try it out! For now Ive been relying on Pro-C2 for all my compression needs. Its bus mode specifically for nice VCA compression ala 2500 and ssl bus comp

on PA it says 299 but its crossed, and then 129 so I went with that number as being way to steep.. But lets hope it goes to 29 then!
Thanks for the dom sigalas link, he's allright, gonna watch it now!

Again: You can get every PA Plugin, incl. the Lindell SBC for 30.99$. Get the Forever 29 Subscription (which is only a subscription for the 1$ voucher btw, you can't use all the PA plugins while the subscription is active, as I thought), directly afterwards you get the 1$ voucher, use this to buy the Lindell SBC, cancel your subscription.

I like some of the PA Plugins, but there marketing strategy is really

ok. Ive never bought from PA before. Imagine if I had bought it at 129
Thanks for informing me of their shady little schemes!

[_leras]

You're just throwing out cliche talking points from any software vs hardware debate because for starters as Dom even said in the video, the 2500 at fast attack is known for it's clickiness so the plugin sounding clicky in this case would make it accurate.

No, there is often a huge, obvious difference between both devices - it's far from subtle - while Dom claims they sound near identical.

So, this comment made me go and have a look and watch the video. And yep - it's really clear when he switches to the hardware how much better it sounds.

It's also a bit confusing as it then appears he switches between the two again - but it seems it didn't actually change.

I have the UAD2500 - which I think is great - and from the video it seems much closer to the sound/tone of the hardware than this Lindell one. I haven't tested the Lindell one though. Or a real 2500...

[_leras]

Let me put it another way. The API 2500 hardware is over $3,100 so how many people are actually going to buy one?

So whether the plugin sounds like the hardware or not is completely irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is how the plugin (any plugin) sounds on your source material in your music.

While this is true... the 2500 does a specific thing and has a specific flavour. So, if someone is putting out a 2500 emulation, then it needs to be close to the 2500. Right?

I only have the UAD 2500, which I trust to be fairly close. I demoed it thinking I *really* didn't need another compressor - but I absolutely loved what it gave the sound on one of my buses and now I use it in every track.

It's a cracking compressor and needs to be done justice.