Reason 12 is here

[jens]

Sad, just sad...

Why?

Because they keep spending much (if not most) of their development time on new tools that cater to beginners without much musical skills - there is nothing wrong about that per se, but that way they keep alienating their original core customers (who have vastly different needs) in an attempt to turn Reason into some kind of modern Dance Ejay, which clearly stems from the desire to most awkwardly seek to become "cool" for kids... they obviously totally lost it.

[ralfrobert]

Understood and partially agreed.

I am using R12 as a closed environment to generate ideas, so I picked the new thingie up an hour ago. But that's just me.

[eclipxe]

Sad, just sad...

Why?

Because they keep spending much (if not most) of their development time on new tools that cater to beginners without much musical skills - there is nothing wrong about that per se, but that way they keep alienating their original core customers (who have vastly different needs) in an attempt to turn Reason into some kind of modern Dance Ejay, which clearly stems from the desire to most awkwardly seek to become "cool" for kids... they obviously totally lost it.

Eh speak for yourself. I’m an original core customer (Reason 1.0!) and I think the recent new devices (including the new chord tool) are great. Just because it doesn’t suite you doesn’t mean other long time customers (that aren’t kids!) don’t find it valuable.

[parma]

Sad, just sad...

Why?

Because they keep spending much (if not most) of their development time on new tools that cater to beginners without much musical skills - there is nothing wrong about that per se, but that way they keep alienating their original core customers (who have vastly different needs) in an attempt to turn Reason into some kind of modern Dance Ejay, which clearly stems from the desire to most awkwardly seek to become "cool" for kids... they obviously totally lost it.

According to their blog post about it, the chord sequencer was mainly developed outside of Reason Studios:

While our content manager Joachim started looking for chord-savvy content creators, we contacted Magnus, formerly of Reason Studios but now game developer at Ichigoichie. He was happy to develop the Player for us!

[EnochLight]

Eh speak for yourself. I’m an original core customer (Reason 1.0!) and I think the recent new devices (including the new chord tool) are great. Just because it doesn’t suite you doesn’t mean other long time customers (that aren’t kids!) don’t find it valuable.

SAME. I've been using Reason since the version 1 launch, I consider myself an experienced musician, and know how to write chords. That said, having tools like MIDI effects (Players) and other chord generators like this can be very inspiring, especially if one works in an industry where they need to crank out content daily. Sometimes we need all the help we can get!

[Tronam]

I guess perception is reality. From the outside it looks like the Reason Studios devs are just sitting around making fun little Rack Extensions and YouTube videos. In truth it’s probably more likely the core dev team are deep in the weeds rewriting much of Reason’s backend for modern CPU/GPUs, expanded plugin support and (hopefully) to more easily accommodate future growth.

[SLiC]

I sort of agree that Scaler 2 is both cheaper, universal and has more features. If you are a 'Reason Only' user this will no doubt be welcome, personally there has been nothing that interests me since V12 was launched...but they have subscribers so this stuff has to keep coming....

[BoogerSnot]

So what's the word on Mac M1 Native support for Reason?

I know you can run it using Rosetta, but my own experience has been to not waste time with that setup, as Native support is far more solid.

I thought I remember seeing a Q3 target date. Would be good to see. I've always liked Reason's tool set, and they keep chugging along.

[jjpscott01]

Eh speak for yourself. I’m an original core customer (Reason 1.0!) and I think the recent new devices (including the new chord tool) are great. Just because it doesn’t suite you doesn’t mean other long time customers (that aren’t kids!) don’t find it valuable.

SAME. I've been using Reason since the version 1 launch, I consider myself an experienced musician, and know how to write chords. That said, having tools like MIDI effects (Players) and other chord generators like this can be very inspiring, especially if one works in an industry where they need to crank out content daily. Sometimes we need all the help we can get!

Yeah I've been with Reason since version 3 and actually really dig the new player devices too. They really help to jumpstart ideas and I've finished a few tracks that began with just a player and a Rack instrument.

[Smasha]

R4 and Phoenix reverb not showing up.

[jens]

SAME. I've been using Reason since the version 1 launch, I consider myself an experienced musician, and know how to write chords. That said, having tools like MIDI effects (Players) and other chord generators like this can be very inspiring

Tools like this limit inspiration. Many of my own songs are impossible according to this thing - and the same goes for (say) both Kate Bush's Wuthering Heights and Running up that Hill (and probably most of her songs) and I don't know how many other famous and not so famous pieces. If you are an experienced musician, you should be well aware of that.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Tools don’t limit inspiration in themselves. You just need to stock a decent toolbox.
Otherwise you’re trying to fix a car with an Allen key.

[jens]

Dunno what on earth that is supposed to mean in regards to this.... some things can be done without the help of a tool that doesn't really work anyway.

One day my mom gave us a "Easy Sushi Maker" (not that we asked fo it) - before getting rid of the thing we tried it for curiousity's sake. It was absolutely pathetic - instead of simplyfying a process that is simple and easy enough once you learnt how to do it, it complicated things in a way and to a degree that was mind-boggling. It was a mess - and nigh impossible to get proper rolls out of it. I think Reason's Chord Sequencer is a bit like that.

[dellboy]

Tools like this limit inspiration. Many of my own songs are impossible according to this thing - and the same goes for (say) both Kate Bush's Wuthering Heights and Running up that Hill (and probably most of her songs) and I don't know how many other famous and not so famous pieces. If you are an experienced musician, you should be well aware of that.

Is "Running up that Hill" difficult? It seems to be pretty much all played in C minor, if I have got it right after playing along with it for a few minutes. It tends to be my go to key on the keyboard along with C major. The clever bit in that song, which someone like me would never come up with no matter how long I try, is the melody line. Like all great melody lines once you learn them they seem so simple, and you ask yourself why you can never write something like that.

[jens]

Well, for starters it has a few suspended chords here and there... Chord Sequencer suggest most if not all of these, but only if you keep switching between different chord sets - at which point...