Why do people here hate on cherry audio?

[Uncle E]

2. Digital != infallible. Sure, the chances of tuning drift are slim, but not impossible. Usually, again, due to a need for repair, but things don't always just fail completely: they can fail gently, too, right?

Sorry, that still means it's broken. I get that people didn't say it in the nicest way possible but that doesn't change the facts.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Well ok, my prior critics sound too harsh. Sorry for that. Maybe sound quality is actually nice, still I then would use a freeware plugin instead. Or one of the usual suspects… I miss some kind of unique selling point, but it might be simply the low price.

[vurt]

Those are all things you can fix so if your friend didn't fix them, I'm going to have to side with zerocrossing on this one, as unpleasant as that reality is.

You delete them from your Kobo, but do you also delete them from your Kobo account? If you don't delete them from the account, they're still there, just a download away.

Where they will stay forever. I don't consider them part of a collection, they are just books I've read.

And you never re-read a book? Ever?

I re-read what I had remembered as the best book I've ever read and, 30 years on, it was actually pretty terrible. That is the one and only book I have ever re-read and the experience put me off. There are more than enough books I haven't read to keep me going.

There's a neurological component to the hoarder mind. They're not typically doing it for pleasure or need, but a compulsion. I have ADHD. There's a bit of that same impulsive/compulsive behaviour associated with that, it's true. I'm learning to recognize when I do fall into the acquisition-for-acquisition's sake groove, and to try to put the brakes on.

I'd suggest it's the same for all of us, to a greater or lesser degree. e.g. The fact that I may want to re-read a book is not a good enough reason for me to keep it around, given how cheap they are to re-purchase, but I keep albums I don't like from artists I do like, for the simple sake of completeness.

My CDs live in boxes in storage. By any rational measure I should just get rid of them but I don't. A large part of that is the fact that their value to me is far greater than their market value, so it would feel like selling all those artists short to get rid of the CDs for a couple of bucks each.

I don't subscribe to streaming services, and I don't listen to music via YouTube; I reward artists for their work by buying the albums, the books, the movies, the comics... I buy the work I like and want to see more of.

So you don't buy things second-hand, even if you can't get them new? I also like to support artists but that doesn't stop me from buying used CDs, sometimes at a grossly unfair mark-up.

Also, I didn't limit "value" to just "utility." There are many ways to value something beyond just its utility.

Sure but that was the intimation from the post I originally responded to, from someone else.

As for

"Clearly this is not true for you,"

1. P*ss off. You don't know me, you can't diagnose me from a few posts on KVR.

I dunno, it seems from your own admission that I wasn't too far off the mark at all. But my remark was aimed specifically at the evidence in front of me, it should not be construed to apply outside those very narrow borders.

That "hoard" of digital music, 80%** or more was actually purchased on disc or as a download. I keep it because I never know what I'll be in the mood to listen to.

Same for me. I don't use Spotify because it doesn't have all the music I might feel like listening to. But that doesn't excuse me holding onto my Ultravox! CD, which I know I will never listen to again. That's pure compulsion on my part.

Working in record stores, despite the shit pay and shitty customers, is a good way to build a music collection.

Owning one was a great way to whittle mine down to almost nothing. I sold heaps of my CDs and most of my vinyl in the 18 months I had that shop. The whole second-hand department were cast-offs from my and my business partner's private collections.

**Yes, this is me admitting some of that "hoard" was simply ripped from CDs I didn't pay for, or maybe something I downloaded off Usenet back in the day. But there are dozens of artists whose work I found there and then went out and bought.

The only time I've ever done that sort of thing is after I have exhausted all legal means of obtaining something. e.g. There are a couple of Peel Sessions I've ripped from YouTube and a few singles by local 80s bands I've downloaded of various music blogs.

3. The physical media I didn't or don't get rid of does indeed have some value for the "thing" of it, not just the contents. Some of them are of sentimental value (those old comics, for instance); some of them are rare or strange or interesting packages that I admire; some of the CDs and DVDs are extremely hard to find, not available to buy or rent online, etc. Keeping a copy is insurance against a hard drive crash.

Pretty flimsy justifications, I keep CDs because they are part of a collection that I value highly. It's definitely not rational but I do it anyway.

I'm also aware that when I buy a digital item from an online purveyor (e.g. Amazon, Kobo, Google, Apple, etc.) I'm at their mercy as to how long they will continue to make it accessible to me.

That's true only of Kindle books. I don't buy most of my books from Kobo, I prefer to get them from local online stores like Angus & Robertson, so Kobo has no control over them at all. And once I download an mp3, it's mine for life (great Ultravox song) and I don't have to worry about someone taking it back or killing DRM on it. Even Apple realised what a dick move that was and stopped doing it.

Amazon has already demonstrated they can reach out into your Kindle device and delete files from it and remove them from your account. Terms of Service can change in an instant. I'm not taking the chance if I can help it.

That was just one reason I swapped my Kindle for a Kobo.

collecting and hoarding, while similar are very different.
collecting is an action, we do for pleasure, we seek specific items, our collections are based around certain things, cds/dolls/stamps... value is actually irrelevant although many collections are valuable (i could literally buy my house twice with my nerd shit) and we take care and pride in our collections.

hoarding, and i have been there, during a depressed state, is where you keep, everything, empty boxes, just in case (not even synth boxes, in case you sell them, which is fine, but the pizza box from the take away) piles of old newspapers, junk mail, bags of rubbish. and it rarely includes anything of actual use or value.
it's not an action, for pleasure, it's a fear of loss.


and get a bigger boat, then you could keep the cds at home and maybe get one with a bog on board

[blatanville]

So, I went to the source to get the story.

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He doesn't remember the issue. He must be an idiot, then, right? It was a small anecdote from maybe 30 years ago, and the guy doesn't remember? Total idiot, amirite?

Anyway, I brought up the tuning thing as a funny little anecdote about using a relatively ancient instrument to tune a relatively modern instrument, and KVR responds by calling my friend an idiot and assuming he'd be so dumb as to not get his instrument repaired if it was a recurring issue.

And...Scene!

[vurt]

that seems like something you'd remember, above all things.

[blatanville]

that seems like something you'd remember, above all things.

heh.

[rsaintjohn]

My guess is that basically, what it boils down to is this: If you know that people will likely abandon you if you try to initiate a subscription service, but you still want them to pay you as such, what do you do? Quickly as you can, churn out plugins made out of your already in place modular system, sell them cheap and try to pretend like that's not what they actually are, maybe?

Do you know that Cherry Audio considered a subscription-only plan, or are you just guessing?

Everything in that post ("guess") is utter nonsense. Cherry Audio instruments are not based on Voltage Modular (though we have created some modules based on the instruments). And the idea of a "subscription service" has never come up here.

[El°HYM]

Has anyone actually ever tried to run a CA - Synth through a SansAmp PSA-1?

[melomood]

I'd rather hang on to sentimental trinkets over hanging on to some collection of dated notions that remain in stasis

[melomood]

Has anyone actually ever tried to run a CA - Synth through a SansAmp PSA-1?

In some cases putting any synth thru an amp/amp sim makes it mo better imho

[pekbro]

My guess is that basically, what it boils down to is this: If you know that people will likely abandon you if you try to initiate a subscription service, but you still want them to pay you as such, what do you do? Quickly as you can, churn out plugins made out of your already in place modular system, sell them cheap and try to pretend like that's not what they actually are, maybe?

Do you know that Cherry Audio considered a subscription-only plan, or are you just guessing?

Everything in that post ("guess") is utter nonsense. Cherry Audio instruments are not based on Voltage Modular (though we have created some modules based on the instruments). And the idea of a "subscription service" has never come up here.

Fair enough, perhaps you might enlighten us as to some of the more technical aspects of how these synths are made, e.g. what types of modeling go into them? Component level, circuit modeling etc. Since you see fit to undercut the competition so severely, essentially opening the door for these arguments and comparisons to begin in the first place. Tell us why we should believe that they are even in the same league as something that has taken years of painstaking development by developers who are upfront about their meticulous, costly and time consuming processes.

[BONES]

collecting and hoarding, while similar are very different.

The latter is just a extreme manifestation of the former. It's all OCD based, whichis something a lot of musicians have to varying degrees.

[melomood]

What the hell are you going on about 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 512 256 128 64 32 16

[Aliens]

"perhaps you might enlighten us as to"

He doesn't have to do anything of the sort. What nonsense over cheap synths.
CA sell plugins that aren't even discretionary money purchases, more like what you lose behind the sofa, so demo them, choose to buy or not buy them. It's that simple.

[melomood]

Cheaper than an eighth of the smalls and that WITH the 25% care discount