Why do people here hate on cherry audio?

[Teksonik]

If folks like you and pekbro don't want me (or Cherry Audio) here in the KVR Forum, just come out and say so.

Developer interaction is one of the greatest strengths of KVR and has been since the beginning so I encourage you to continue participating here.

Just realize that people are going to give their opinions both positive and negative.

A forum where only positive feedback was allowed would be utterly useless to everyone including developers.

If you take what you read here as a form of market feedback and use that information to your advantage then it's a win-win for everyone.

[jamcat]

But that guitar had been stolen from Sylvain Sylvain of the New York Dolls

Source? From what I have read, Sylvain gave it to him (in exchange for a plane-ticket (which he never received however))

Wouldn’t that make it stolen, then?

[gentleclockdivider]

Don't take it too personal , it's not the first time rsaintjohn@cherry audio does that.
On gearslutz forum he accused me of being a troll after I had critisized the osc sync aliasing issue in ca 2600 , after providing audio files and screenshots of the issue .
When some other users backed me up ,his only defense was that I was creating suck puppet acounts . ..and that from the companies PR man
That left a very bad taste in my mouth and made me apreciate companies like TAL and U-he even more ,where valid criticism is appreciated .
CHerry not so cherry sweet

I believe you're mistaken. The only interaction between us that I'm aware of was this post (below) in May on Gearspace where you made the same assertion. I've only been with Cherry Audio since January of this year. I don't recall that I've ever posted about CA2600 before or after I joined. I don't think I've ever even used the term "suck puppet" (or even sock).



So that's the second time in a second place you've accused me of this. But, frankly, I have no idea who you are.

There's no need to make things up. If folks like you and pekbro don't want me (or Cherry Audio) here in the KVR Forum, just come out and say so. I won't make any promises, but at least everyone will know where you stand.

Hmm.Aren’t you mitchell on the gearslutz forum?
In this thread?

https://gearspace.com/board/product-ale ... now-2.html

On the second page mitchell presents himself as ‘mitch from cherry audio’
The posts have been deleted by the mod .
If not , then I apologize , but it was at least a cherry employee who totally went out of line

[GusGranite]

If anyone is bemused by the weird negativity in this thread, there is a really cool little community around Cherry Audio and Voltage Modular.

Sure, but most of us prefer a single community where we can meet all our synth discussion needs, and KVR is one of the most obvious for those due to the size and diversity of products covered. Having to visit 100+ different communities to find all relevant discussion would take too much time.

Unfortunately KVR is also a cess-pit of trolls, idiots and the wilfully ignorant, and while I have in the past wished the moderation here was a little stricter, I'm also not 100% sure I want to see it change to ban *all* negative discussion of any plugin, whether they advertise on KVR or not. It's a hard balance to find I guess.

Agreed. I like KVR and keep coming back for a reason. It’s very informative.

The negativity is relentless for some developers though. It’s so ridiculous when you step back. I mean, these developers are making creative tools for us to make music. You would think they were on the verge of criminality the way some people jump in to every single thread to rant about ‘oscillator sync’ or ‘too cheap’ or ‘too many releases’ and now the ‘same engine’ myth. I’m even reading some sly digs towards Mark Barton… Seriously? Shake that man’s hand and thank him for still working in music and sharing his knowledge.

Pah. I want to thank these dudes for taking me away from the daily humdrum and letting me fly.

[gnu23]

If folks like you and pekbro don't want me (or Cherry Audio) here in the KVR Forum, just come out and say so.

Developer interaction is one of the greatest strengths of KVR and has been since the beginning so I encourage you to continue participating here.

Just realize that people are going to give their opinions both positive and negative.

A forum where only positive feedback was allowed would be utterly useless to everyone including developers.

If you take what you read here as a form of market feedback and use that information to your advantage then it's a win-win for everyone.

KvR is notably cranky..ok, really cranky.

A friend of mine uses this phrase a lot, and I've adopted it: Negative feedback is positive vectoring.

FWIW, I've posted links to two YouTube videos of deep looks at Galactic that clearly demonstrate its capability and value-for-money.

Viewed from KvR's negative feedback alone, one would think Cherry Audio is doing something wrong.

The way I see it, CA is doing a lot of things right.

[Shabdahbriah]

Because those magazines are worthless advertorials, nothing more.

It's fascinating so many people still don't get it, it's pretty obvious at this point.

You mean that rumour that Cherry is secretly the software arm of Behringer?

[rsaintjohn]

Hmm.Aren’t you mitchell on the gearslutz forum?
In this thread?

https://gearspace.com/board/product-ale ... now-2.html

On the second page mitchell presents himself as ‘mitch from cherry audio’
The posts have been deleted by the mod .
If not , then I apologize , but it was at least a cherry employee who totally went out of line

Okay, so now I can see the misunderstanding and source of the angst. This looks like an opportunity to de-escalate, at least between you and myself.

No, that thread from 2020 was long before I joined. There are posts in there from both Mitchell and Dan. I’m not either of them. You can see from my posting history there that I’ve always been Robert, that I spend too much time and money on Roland synths , and that my previous marketing background was almost entirely outside of the music industry (video codecs).

I can’t see it all, but I apologize for the bad blood and the misunderstanding between us. CA has never had a dedicated marketing person until now, and one of my goals is to be out in all of these “channels” more, engage more, and listen more. That frees those guys up to focus on making better software. That’s why they hired me. And hopefully it gives the user communities a chance to engage with us better.

Obviously I did not come into a thread titled “Why do people here hate on cherry audio?” expecting rainbows and unicorns. I came to read, pass on feedback, and correct a few misperceptions. I’m not even trying to change minds. We have to do that through results, not words. I have no issue with negative feedback. I’m looking at a certain something tonight with notes made from here and elsewhere thinking, “How can we make REDACTED better out the gate?”

So keep it coming, I really don’t mind, and neither do TPTB. If it’s constructive, great. If it’s not, that’s fine too. There’s not a lot I can do with that, but everyone deserves a chance to vent and express themselves. I’m old enough to know the difference!

Thanks for the clarification, and thanks to all for speaking their minds and letting me learn what I can. I’ll stop now before I say something like “We’re listening!” like another controversial company.

[wwjd]

... the internet never forgots...
... the internet never forgives...

... the internet is basically like the WORST person you have ever met and wish you didn't know.

[Uncle E]

He doesn't remember the issue. He must be an idiot, then, right? It was a small anecdote from maybe 30 years ago, and the guy doesn't remember? Total idiot, amirite?

Anyway, I brought up the tuning thing as a funny little anecdote about using a relatively ancient instrument to tune a relatively modern instrument, and KVR responds by calling my friend an idiot and assuming he'd be so dumb as to not get his instrument repaired if it was a recurring issue.

I have a broken Juno-106 that goes out of tune. I'll fix it eventually but it's not a priority since I don't like the synth much. So, no, I don't think your friend is "dumb" or "an idiot" for not fixing his, particularly 30 years ago when the repair would have cost more than buying another one (average price for a Juno-106 or Juno-60 back then was ~$300).

[Uncle E]

Has anyone actually ever tried to run a CA - Synth through a SansAmp PSA-1?

I have a PSA-1 and could try. Any reason for it being the PSA-1 specifically? They would probably sound better through my Avalon U5, Alembic tube preamp, or Yamaha M512 mixer.

[ramseysounds]

If folks like you and pekbro don't want me (or Cherry Audio) here in the KVR Forum, just come out and say so.

Just realize that people are going to give their opinions both positive and negative.

Agreed, and there is also telling lies and shit stirring, which at least 2 people on here have been doing in the last few pages which needs to be called out and has been. I just don’t get that if you don’t like a synth or effect or whatever, just don’t buy it. Why trash someones work?

Personally I’m glad a dev representative is here.

[BONES]

By the same token, why keep quiet about something you feel some may be misrepresenting to others? Positive and negative feedback provides balance to any discussion and each is equally valid. In fact, for a developer, negative feedback is usually far more useful to them in improving their products.

The negativity is relentless for some developers though. It’s so ridiculous when you step back. I mean, these developers are making creative tools for us to make music. You would think they were on the verge of criminality the way some people jump in to every single thread to rant about ‘oscillator sync’ or ‘too cheap’ or ‘too many releases’ and now the ‘same engine’ myth. I’m even reading some sly digs towards Mark Barton… Seriously? Shake that man’s hand and thank him for still working in music and sharing his knowledge.

I see little or none of that. The big problem I see is that even the mildest constructive criticism is blown up to resemble what you're talking about. People need to have thicker skins and understand that someone else can have a different opinion and the world will keep rotating on its axis as it orbits the sun. It's OK to question someone's opinion, to ask them to explain how they arrived at it, but to dismiss every little gripe as a vendetta or hatred is just plain stupid, especially when their explanation actually makes sense.

[ramseysounds]

You must have skin like a rhino then bones. The vitriol and hatred on this forum is there for all to see. Why do you think so many people get banned or threads continually locked?

[BONES]

Where? Point me to some.

[WasteLand]

Where? Point me to some.

KVR is not that known for a friendly community, and a friendly community can be very very critical, there are examples, that i am member of...

a lot of threads are really clutter. you must pick the gems out of cluttered threads.

so, still, a forum to visit, but sometimes... and i am dutch, there can be no general statement about dutch people, but we aren't afraid of swearing, to be direct, we can surpass austrialians, in many ways, the bad ways.... (irony, fun!). and me like the bad ways...

of course KVR has a lot of members, and a lot of opinions, it is the way it is (wow, a songtitle...).

but hating a company or a plugin.... but i have been critical when it was 'needed', or valid, very critical.

fierce but nuanced, is my credo, take no prisoners, show no mercy, but ... o well... a bottomless pit... to write a post like this...

and defending a company or plugin? also not me, i like what i like; i.e. i work with it. what i don't like, it isn't worth the energy. bad poetry, bad art, bad music, bad plugins, or uninteresting plugins (that everybody likes...), i don't see the point to react, with, bad! bad!

but let the bones rattle!

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I think we are in rats’ alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

“What is that noise?”
The wind under the door.
“What is that noise now? What is the wind doing?”
Nothing again nothing.
“Do
“You know nothing? Do you see nothing? Do you remember
“Nothing?”

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But at my back in a cold blast I hear
The rattle of the bones, and chuckle spread from ear to ear.

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a lot of bones in the poetry of t.s. eliot, and another poet, that i won't mention..