Gforce Software Oberheim SEM

[sQeetz]

But here I am, arguing with Bones, the most pointless task in the history of the internet.

Where is that Rick Astley video fitting to this statement, I was looking for?

[sQeetz]

Found it
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13m4y1 ... 3144376B54

[Uncle E]

The sad part is that here, even in a thread where you LIKE the plugin being discussed, you're still locked into 100% full-on Antagonist Contrarian mode.

[vertibration]

You put OB-E on a back burner?
Blood hell

rsp

So, I took it off the “back burner.” Here’s my mini-review.

First off, the sound is gorgeous. It really is stunning. You could score Stranger Things with just the high-lights preset folder. The presets I checked out are either super useful, classic or interesting.

The UI… bit of a mess. Too many thin lines and not enough contrast. Why is the third oscillator on the “back” panel? If you’re moving away, move away. I also should add that I’m not a fan of the OG SEM’s general layout. Sort of confusing. I’ve always liked synths that have a mixer section, not put it in the filter section, but whatever. A few YouTube tutorials and I was good, but when I think about how basic the synth is, it really shouldn’t have needed it.

I won’t be buying the single voice. It might be nice at times, but not really worth buying. I’ll use OB-E in mono mode and be happy. It’s really nice they added that third oscillator and let you make it a mod source. Really open things up. It’s really so far ahead of Arturia’s emulation, they may as well be emulating synths from different companies. Arturia should do what they did for CS-80 V for SEM V. That would be a fair fight.

Arturia smokes everyone else out there right now when it comes to improvement, and pace. Who else puts out improvements over previous plugins, and at the pace that Arturia does it? No one. Period.

If this is a marathon, Arturia has a long stride and they are starting to close in on everyone else

[BONES]

I did. The fact you pretend not to understand it demonstrates it even more

No, you didn't. You said it sounds "meaty", you said it's "the best sounding synth" you've bought ever, you said you "just love the way it sounds" and then you made the inappropriate chocolate analogy. None of which explains what makes it better than bx_oberhausen. OTOH, I've explained in reasonable detail why oberhausen is superior, in a way that anyone can try and hear for themselves.

Good lord you are obnoxious.

That's better than being stupid.

Step Input Recording is not the same as DAW recording.

No, but the result is and inputting sequencer data directly into your piano roll is more efficient.

DAW recording happens in REAL TIME. Step Input recording DOES NOT.

So what? I've never in my life recorded anything directly into my DAW, I always use the mouse because it's the easiest, most efficient way. I used Step Record in my M1, O1/W and Trinity because that was the easiest, most efficient method for those sequencers, so I understand the process, but piano rolls and a mouse make it as redundant as playing it in.

The end result is the same, but the PROCESS of getting there is different. Different compositional processes lead people to write in different ways; new methods lead to new results.

Not in that way, they don't. It's just a different way to get the idea down. Maybe there will be the occasional happy accident but the same is true however you do it.

Shocking, I know, but there isn't just one way of doing things, despite your insistence that there is.

There is only one best way and I am honestly struggling to understand why anyone would think step recording is best. You saying the same thing over and over again doesn't help.

And No, drawing in a piano roll in my DAW is not the same as playing notes into the step input recorder of SEM.

But, again, the result is the same.

They are literally different compositional processes

No, they are different input techniques.

why you keep insisting it's the same is beyond me

That's not what I'm saying. In fact, I haven't said that about a dozen times now.

[briefcasemanx]

"There is only one best way"

Yeah, I think we're getting into personality disorder territory here.

[sQeetz]

"There is only one best way"

Yeah, I think we're getting into personality disorder territory here.

You "think"?

[El°HYM]

[BONES]

Yeah, I think we're getting into personality disorder territory here.

Why would you think that? Are you so ensconced in your little bubble you can't see outside? Of course there is only one best way and if it's step recording, I'm actually keen to find out why. Maybe there is something really useful about using step mode that I don't know about but rather than explain why he uses it, he instead chose to get the shits and carry on like a pork chop.

It was an opportunity for all of us to learn something, instead taken as some kind of personal insult. You guys are f**king hopeless, you can't see what's written in front of you, everything has to be parsed through the lens of your insecurity. If someone disagrees, instead of explaining your view, you take umbrage that anyone would dare to question your methods. It feels like you don't want to explain yourselves because you're fearful that someone might pull your argument apart. To me that's an opportunity to learn and grow but you guys seem to actively want to remain at the level you're at, unless new information comes to you via some useless fucktard on YouTube that reinforces your current methods. Either that or you actually don't know why you do things the way you do and, therefore, have no argument to make? Which do you think my money's on?

[sQeetz]

It's so exhausting discussing anything with you. Because of your presumption that you're always right. That maybe the reason you believe you're right on so many occasions. You're not. You just tire any attempt to correct you.

My old man is like that, too. At some point you just go: yea, ok

[chk071]

Don't take things so serious. Problem solved.

[woodsdenis]

The advantage of using the seq in the SEM is really simple, maybe someone else has said it IDK. It's not about simply inputting notes the same as any DAW, it's a compositional and performance tool. Unlike your DAW it enables one to transpose and input collections of notes on the fly, simple really.

[interruptor]

Although I already have Arturia's SEM v2 and Oberhausen I bought this after playing with the demo. I couldn't really hear if this one is more authentic than the other plugins, however I think that the beautiful presets alone almost justify the intro price.
I also succesfully used it as a polyphonic instrument by running multiple instances in Reaper together with the "poly_mono_midi_router" from Tale's free JSFX Pack. For regular polyphonic use you will without any doubt want to upgrade to OB-e soon.
Listeners of the Sonictalk podcast will recognise Dave Spiers' brand of humour when coming across disparaging remarks about drummers in the manual or a preset called "Fuster Cluck".

[kelvyn]

Damn! I’ve run out of popcorn:(

[chk071]

Although I already have Arturia's SEM v2 and Oberhausen I bought this after playing with the demo.

What is really strange is that the parameter ranges, and the envelopes differ so much between Oberhausen and the Gforce. The envelope stage curves are completely different. They're a bit concave/convex on the Gofrce, and strictly convex on the Oberhausen. I don't know what's more authentic, but, I much prefer the curves and ranges on the Gforce.

And, to those who think I'm nitpicking with that: Try it out. Makes a big difference IMO.

One thing I don't like on the Gforce is that the resonance level seems too low. Here are two sound demos which show well the resonance level of the original and the remake (also notice the earth shattering bottom end when the filter closes on high level resonance levels... Oberhausen has that as well):





Not sure if it might be a thing of the specific unit Gforce modelled the synth on. Both Oberhausen and Diva (Uhbie filter) have more resonance IMO.