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TW1306 · Post by **TW1306** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:58 pm

I'm looking for some drum loops that have cropped up in a lot of tracks from the early 90s to the early 2000s, a few examples linked below:

(3:53)
(4:04)
(7:21)

Do any sample packs exist for these, or better, what technique was used to make them?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated

yellowmix · Post by **yellowmix** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:44 am

They were sampled from existing music:

No sample packs since they are copyrighted. You'll need to negotiate sample clearance with each respective owner.

There are sample packs of original breaks with a royalty-free license. But a lot of character also comes from the way the records were recorded and mixed. So you could hire a drummer to record some for you or create your own breaks with a drum plugin and process them. Portishead recorded drums to tape, cut vinyl records from it, threw the records on the floor and walked over them to speed up aging. Neat technique, right?

A major aspect of 2 Bad Mice's production was the limited memory and fidelity on their sampler. They'd play a 33 rpm record at 45 so they could record more, then pitch the sample down to bring it back to speed. Between that and the DAC the drums came out crunchier.

Halma · Post by **Halma** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:50 am

Maybe Jungle Warfare Vol 1, 2 & 3 from Zero G? Not quite sure if its still available. Classic and very popular sample cds from the 90s.

I found this one on KVR.

https://www.kvraudio.com/video/jungle-w ... nsion-4839

TW1306 · Post by **TW1306** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:42 am

Thanks for the reply,

yellowmix wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:44 am But a lot of character also comes from the way the records were recorded and mixed. So you could hire a drummer to record some for you or create your own breaks with a drum plugin and process them.

Unfortunately I'm just a bedroom producer with a laptop and shoestring budget, I don't have much knowledge on or access to actual hardware production/recording techniques (though I'm trying to replicate a lot of 90s-early 2000s styles so the info is definitely helpful

)

yellowmix wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:44 am Portishead recorded drums to tape, cut vinyl records from it, threw the records on the floor and walked over them to speed up aging. Neat technique, right?

A major aspect of 2 Bad Mice's production was the limited memory and fidelity on their sampler. They'd play a 33 rpm record at 45 so they could record more, then pitch the sample down to bring it back to speed. Between that and the DAC the drums came out crunchier.

It's always fascinating to learn about oddities of production like this, things you could only do with a physical studio setup. Thanks for the info!

Lotuz2019 · Post by **Lotuz2019** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:47 am

It's always fascinating to learn about oddities of production like this, things you could only do with a physical studio setup.

Actually....

https://wavetracing.com/products/sp950

Jonathan Shepherd · Post by **Jonathan Shepherd** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:54 pm

Sampleoidz has more than several breaks collections:
https://sampleoidz.co.uk/ocart2/
It's Bizzy B's company. Good stuff and quite cheap! Not sure if it would suit you, if it does then more power to you---

hma · Post by **hma** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:14 pm

https://rhythm-lab.com/breakbeats/

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:49 am

...the samples the OP is looking for are in fact processed breaks, that can most certainly be found on old Zero-G sample cds like Jungle Warfare. However, the material on these cds is using sampled breaks from original records like the breaks collection on rhythm lab, who has collected samples from various sites and sampled some himself. So obviously neither using these old sample cds and of course the original breaks from rhythm lab would be legal, as the samples aren't cleared. Using the original breaks would also mean, that you'd have to do some additional sound design on top to get the sound of the reference tracks.

My advice to get some legal samples as well as this 90s sound would be using the Rhythm Source expansion from NI, which features a lot of recreated breaks and focusses on the sound aesthetic of that era. In addtion to that NI released Empire Breaks just yesterday, which also features a lot of drum sounds, that have been created after famous oldschool breaks. Additionally, NI Drumlab can also give you this sound, if you know what you're doing. These three would be the best choice to have as a base material and to avoid breaking copyright laws.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... hm-source/
https://www.native-instruments.com/de/p ... ire_Breaks
https://www.native-instruments.com/de/p ... s/drumlab/

mothra · Post by **mothra** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:14 pm

You cant get Jungle Warfare anymore as it is. Zero-G pulled all 3 a few years ago (along with Jungle Frenzy 1 and 2). They've 'updated' that thing a couple times over the years after getting in trouble but who knows why its gone now. All the Amens were pulled years ago but maybe the James Brown estate had something to say about Think, Hot Pants, Funky Drummer and Cold Sweat still being on it heh.

HAL76 · Post by **HAL76** » Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:27 pm

The X-Static Goldmines volumes were THE "commercial"

source back then. But I don´t know if that is really what you are looking for.

Additionaly I´d strongly recommend to make a little research on ROMplers, especially E-Mu (Orbit, MoPhat, ... ).

matthewisgrand · Post by **matthewisgrand** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:40 am

I used to have the 101s breakbeat pack which was the raw breaks

Some filtering and pasting in a 909 kick or 808 snare in a bit on em was the consensus of jungle and drum n bass I think?

Renoise forums used to have the 101s breakbeat pack and I dunno if it’s even real anymore but the I hate break core forum ?

Classic drum break loops from 90s rave, trance, breaks etc