Is virtual analog an advertising ploy?

[jamcat]

and that is why you fail!

every good teacher, will tell you, they learn as much as they teach.
it's a changing world, and just because you don't like modern music, doesn't mean it's not for everyone, some of us have broader tastes

Except none of it is new. Most people just outgrow it by a certain age.

The ideas aren’t new. Only the people professing them are.

Likewise, most “modern” music is just the same thing recycled over again, with less effort.

I would think with all of our modern technology, people ought to be able to achieve something better, not just something lazier.

[vurt]

and that is why you fail!

every good teacher, will tell you, they learn as much as they teach.
it's a changing world, and just because you don't like modern music, doesn't mean it's not for everyone, some of us have broader tastes

Except none of it is new. Most people just outgrow it by a certain age.

The ideas aren’t new. Only the people professing them are.

Likewise, most “modern” music is just the same thing recycled over again, with less effort.

I would think with all of our modern technology, people ought to be able to achieve something better, not just something lazier.

maybe, and it's only a maybe,
maybe, you are listening in the wrong places.

or you're my great grandfather?

[vurt]

i couldn't even say granddad, because he was cool, and had very broad tastes in music. and enjoyed listening to his children and grandchildren new record purchases.

[jens]

Dang, this thread certainly makes up for a depressive read!

[vurt]

Dang, this thread certainly makes up for a depressive read!

you want some ??


hope all's well

[noiseboyuk]

Well, I seriously thought you were 20 the way you went on about “beats.”

Oh. My. God.

[donkey tugger]

I do always find it really weird that on a music technology website there's people with such a conservative (small 'c'!) outlook on music, who decry anything new, completely lacking in any self-awareness that the music they espouse as being the 'gold-standard', was no doubt in its time similarly derided by the generation before them.

[noiseboyuk]

I do always find it really weird that on a music technology website there's people with such a conservative (small 'c'!) outlook on music, who decry anything new, completely lacking in any self-awareness that the music they espouse as being the 'gold-standard', was no doubt in its time similarly derided by the generation before them.

Well quite.

I’ve been obsessed by music since I was 10, when somehow Oxygene got into the house. My first gig was U2 at 15 (despite no under 18s being admitted to the Hammersmith Palais - what a rebel). I’ve never been tribal, still enjoy listening to songs from my youth and new stuff of all stripes (though admittedly have tired in general of EDM and indie, and never liked metal). Love soundtracks (current fave - Pachinko by Nico Muhly). Spotify has introduced me to a ton of great new stuff. My favourite band of the last decade is Mew, Danish prog-indie you might call them. Taylor Swift is AWESOME, one of the finest songwriters of our times.

The idea that calling Beats “Beats” makes you a 20 year old… just wow. Beats were alive and kicking in the 80s for gawd’s sake.

Can we have one subforum on KVR for people who have no comprehension of the last 50 years of music outside their own very narrow likes?

[jamcat]

The idea that calling Beats “Beats” makes you a 20 year old… just wow. Beats were alive and kicking in the 80s for gawd’s sake.

Sure, but people who talked about "beats" in the '80s generally progressed beyond that at some point before now.

[vurt]

The idea that calling Beats “Beats” makes you a 20 year old… just wow. Beats were alive and kicking in the 80s for gawd’s sake.

Sure, but people who talked about "beats" in the '80s generally progressed beyond that at some point before now.

its just a word, that separates it from "drums".
most people understand that...

[kritikon]

Well you really ought to be mentoring those kids, rather than trying to emulate them on the forum.

Eh?

Well, I seriously thought you were 20 the way you went on about “beats.”

Now I see you must have picked that up from the kids. But instead you should be using your considerable knowledge and experience to correct the naïve ignorance of the youth. Instead you seem to have adopted it.

At least BONES acts his grumpy old age.

My god, how old are you? 137? You do realise almost without fail, all new music, styles, formats are a product of youth and always have been? Personally I don't much like an awful lot of what's coming out in recent years, but it is definitely not the old codgers that are going to come out with any ground-breaking music - we're making the same old shit that was popular back when we were young and abusing our bodies. The likes of Noiseyboy, Bones and me are not in the process of making next year's big thing and hopefully are not coy about that either. It's the know-nothing, naive, ignorant 18-year olds that you slag off that are going to do that. Like it or not, that is how it is. If you don't think that's true then you're deluded. Name me almost any style of music and I'll show you how it was youth that developed it, even going back to classical. Mozart was not an old man. I seriously can't think of any modern music style that wasn't a product of youth.

I'm 57 yrs old and I dislike most of what modern music I hear. That is how it should be. And the 16 yr olds coming up despise my music more than likely, and that is how it should be. In fact - it saddens me more how the youth of today hark back to old styles - that must mean the development of music is going trough the doldrums...but that will change hopefully. And it's not going to change because of us old farts.

[vurt]

cmon jamcat, 20 bands that you couldnt live without, im going to suggest, its probably mostly middle of the road, boring (to many) and mostly dead?

[vurt]

the bands are dead, not necessarily the members, im not looking for an actual death list

[jamcat]

I do always find it really weird that on a music technology website there's people with such a conservative (small 'c'!) outlook on music, who decry anything new, completely lacking in any self-awareness that the music they espouse as being the 'gold-standard', was no doubt in its time similarly derided by the generation before them.

You couldn't possibly be talking about me, since I'm all about embracing the latest technology. I just think it needs to be used to its fullest potential instead of as a crutch for lazy songwriting.

Using something like MODO DRUM's physically modeled kits to create a drum performance down to which hand is hitting the drum, and where the stick is hitting the skin, embraces the latest technology has to offer far better than arranging the same limited 909 drum sounds in some rudimentary repetitive pattern on loop. People were doing the latter 40 years ago. But they weren't able to do the former without a real drummer before now.

Mostly I see people here talking endlessly about using virtual analog synths to make the same ADSR sounds that people have been making since the 1970s, thinking they're somehow on the cutting edge of a new revolution. The difference is, back then, that's all that bedroom musicians had available. They wished those synths could have sounded like piano and real strings and brass and percussion. Now we actually have the technology to make that a reality through physical modeling. That's actually where music technology is RIGHT NOW. That is the cutting edge. And those are the instruments I'm using and like to discuss, not the same VA synths and boring beatboxes everyone else wants to talk about.

[vurt]

tbf, the thread is about virtual analog
it was bound to come up at some point.