Hey IK, When You Finally Do MODO Guitar...

[Tj Shredder]

Zero Synthesis and No Samples. Either "Zero Synthesis" is a new synthesis method or "No Samples" are samples of a No...
If you feed a sampled No into enough guitar gear it turns anything into heavy metal... IK has something to offer in that regard... ; - )
But no Mac version...

[benjamind]

I think creating an AI is far more difficult than making a playable guitar soft i

There's been another thread where this has come up recently, but IMO a guitar VI that can accurately translate 6 strings to one keyboard is essentially impossible. It can do a subset of guitar stuff - strumming chords, arpeggios, leads etc. But when it comes to moving shapes up and down the fretboard which cross open strings - forget it.

I think that's a bunch of hogwash since there are plenty of sampled guitars out there that manage to pull off realistic performances - but you are stuck with the tone of the original sample and the transitions between the notes doesn't sound quite as genuine as it would on a modelled guitar. And the lack of dynamic layers. That too.

And that subset of stuff you mentioned like arpeggios, strums, leads etc. is enough for most people. Note transitions are always much better on a properly modelled guitar whereas with samples you have to do a lot of tricks and it isn't quite there.

And why would IK release a virtual bass and virtual drums? Cymbals are realistic since they are just hits so no need to model them. Guitars are a lot more complex so yes you need to model them to get the best and most realistic sound.

Nothing will ever replace a real guitar player but hey that isn't the point. The point is to have a nice collection of REALISTIC sounding virtual guitars that don't take up hundreds of GBs of disk space and are more flexible.

I know IK can do it. I'm just wondering whether they actually want to. And why on Earth would they put a MODO BASS, MODO DRUMS and MODO GUITARS in the patent registration system. The old link doesn't work but it did a few years ago and it showed us 3 distinct products.

But since it's been like way too long now I am starting to wonder and rethink the whole thing. It's not like it's going to disappoint. It will instantly and permanently render everything else obsolete since realistic transitions that behave like a guitar is too desirable for someone who cannot play the real thing.

Anyway I am thinking of just forgetting the whole damn thing because with each new great product they release I feel worse because it's not what I was waiting so long for.

Perhaps I will wait forever. But since they won't tell us what is REALLY going on I guess I have no way to know if waiting will be worth my while or if I should just give up. Only they know the answer and so far they have not revealed that answer. So I am guessing it's in the works.

[benjamind]

Thus far they have not definitively revealed whether or not they are releasing the final instalment of the MODO series.

Maybe a constellation of circumstances will keep us separated from our dream VI.

Oh well. It sucks. No confirmation. Just nothing...Why bother waiting? It's getting too old and too boring.

[pekbro]

I think creating an AI is far more difficult than making a playable guitar soft i

There's been another thread where this has come up recently, but IMO a guitar VI that can accurately translate 6 strings to one keyboard is essentially impossible. It can do a subset of guitar stuff - strumming chords, arpeggios, leads etc. But when it comes to moving shapes up and down the fretboard which cross open strings - forget it.

I think that's a bunch of hogwash since there are plenty of sampled guitars out there that manage to pull off realistic performances - but you are stuck with the tone of the original sample and the transitions between the notes doesn't sound quite as genuine as it would on a modelled guitar. And the lack of dynamic layers. That too.

And that subset of stuff you mentioned like arpeggios, strums, leads etc. is enough for most people. Note transitions are always much better on a properly modelled guitar whereas with samples you have to do a lot of tricks and it isn't quite there.

And why would IK release a virtual bass and virtual drums? Cymbals are realistic since they are just hits so no need to model them. Guitars are a lot more complex so yes you need to model them to get the best and most realistic sound.

Nothing will ever replace a real guitar player but hey that isn't the point. The point is to have a nice collection of REALISTIC sounding virtual guitars that don't take up hundreds of GBs of disk space and are more flexible.

I know IK can do it. I'm just wondering whether they actually want to. And why on Earth would they put a MODO BASS, MODO DRUMS and MODO GUITARS in the patent registration system. The old link doesn't work but it did a few years ago and it showed us 3 distinct products.

But since it's been like way too long now I am starting to wonder and rethink the whole thing. It's not like it's going to disappoint. It will instantly and permanently render everything else obsolete since realistic transitions that behave like a guitar is too desirable for someone who cannot play the real thing.

Anyway I am thinking of just forgetting the whole damn thing because with each new great product they release I feel worse because it's not what I was waiting so long for.

Perhaps I will wait forever. But since they won't tell us what is REALLY going on I guess I have no way to know if waiting will be worth my while or if I should just give up. Only they know the answer and so far they have not revealed that answer. So I am guessing it's in the works.

Did you try the AAS stuff, that's about the closest to playing a real guitar that I've tried.
The sounds could be better, but honestly I never tried to make it sound better with
pedals/amp sims or whatnot.

Nyway, sry OT...

btw: There are all kinds of ways to play the guitar, if you have limited movement in one
hand you can learn to switch from right to left handed or whatever, you can use a slide
or you can play it percussively, etc. One of the great things about being a human is that
you can adapt. Don't mean anything buy it, I'm just sayin...

My friend Rod has a bad left arm and hand, to the point of having metal pins in his
forearm, he can play really well actually. He can't shred or anything, he's especially
good at playing the ukulele as well.

Goodluck...

[benjamind]

Anyway I'm out of this. So sick and tired of waiting. You can only deal with it so long.

I bet it'll just happen...or not...and I just won't care as much because I have pretty much given up on it now and probably for all time.

You wait 6 years for something and it doesn't materialise despite there being hints of three distinct MODO products in the patent registry, you being to wonder what is going on? Maybe it has nothing to do with the synthesis it might be another issue that has nothing to do with quality. Remember the Yamaha physmod stuff, remember what happened there.

Oh let's not forget Mokafix. Holy f**king shit he had some impressive shit up his sleeve but he...just...like...disappeared LULZ.

Maybe IK copped too much flack for wanting to being a realistic guitar simulator and decided not to do it or something or maybe a deal fell through or something unrelated to the viability of the synthesis method.

I guess if IK has the ear of too many guitarists and they feel f**king butthurt because they got a glimpse of the fact that they could be replaced by a f**king VI then yeah I can understand. It doesn't mean I give a f**king shit though because I can't play the damn thing and I am sure people who want proper realistic guitar parts without having to hire anyone don't care either.

What a shame if any of the above is true. Buy then again, why would they release a f**king bass VI? That doesn't make sense either because session bassists would be pissed off would they not? If that didn't stop IK from putting out a bass VI then why would it stop them from putting out a guitar VI? Somebody tell me.

I think I know what happened now but I don't want to entertain discussion of it. I bet some quirky deal fell through and now it's just...radio silence.

If there not going to release it why don't they just tell us in no uncertain terms. Then we can get on with our lives. I mean holy shit it's not too hard.

[benjamind]

I reckon the fact that they are vague about it means it is coming.

But I am fed up with waiting and have given up on this dream VI.

Lets come back in another 3 years LOL. Will we be saying the same shit in 3 years? I sure hope not. But hey I predict that's what will happen now. In another 3 years we will still be here waiting. Well, not me. I won't. I had too much invested in this shit and I have thrown that penny in the river. Hands in the air. IDGAF anymore.

[noiseboyuk]

There's been another thread where this has come up recently, but IMO a guitar VI that can accurately translate 6 strings to one keyboard is essentially impossible. It can do a subset of guitar stuff - strumming chords, arpeggios, leads etc. But when it comes to moving shapes up and down the fretboard which cross open strings - forget it.

I think that's a bunch of hogwash since there are plenty of sampled guitars out there that manage to pull off realistic performances - but you are stuck with the tone of the original sample and the transitions between the notes doesn't sound quite as genuine as it would on a modelled guitar. And the lack of dynamic layers. That too.

And that subset of stuff you mentioned like arpeggios, strums, leads etc. is enough for most people. Note transitions are always much better on a properly modelled guitar whereas with samples you have to do a lot of tricks and it isn't quite there.

And why would IK release a virtual bass and virtual drums? Cymbals are realistic since they are just hits so no need to model them. Guitars are a lot more complex so yes you need to model them to get the best and most realistic sound.

Nothing will ever replace a real guitar player but hey that isn't the point. The point is to have a nice collection of REALISTIC sounding virtual guitars that don't take up hundreds of GBs of disk space and are more flexible.

I know IK can do it. I'm just wondering whether they actually want to. And why on Earth would they put a MODO BASS, MODO DRUMS and MODO GUITARS in the patent registration system. The old link doesn't work but it did a few years ago and it showed us 3 distinct products.

But since it's been like way too long now I am starting to wonder and rethink the whole thing. It's not like it's going to disappoint. It will instantly and permanently render everything else obsolete since realistic transitions that behave like a guitar is too desirable for someone who cannot play the real thing.

Anyway I am thinking of just forgetting the whole damn thing because with each new great product they release I feel worse because it's not what I was waiting so long for.

Perhaps I will wait forever. But since they won't tell us what is REALLY going on I guess I have no way to know if waiting will be worth my while or if I should just give up. Only they know the answer and so far they have not revealed that answer. So I am guessing it's in the works.

As you said - and indeed as I said - it is perfectly possible to pull off a realistic performance from a virtual guitar. There are types of playing where you can do it pretty successfully. What will NEVER be done, is to embrace the essential nature of the guitar, and how it is approached, because it is physically impossible.

This is an illustration that I posted in the other thread. Here's just a 4 second moment from a song of mine. It's so, so easy to play on the guitar - a simple figure on the B, G and D strings that slides up 5 frets, so the B string held on C# moves from below to the open top E to above (oh yeah, to make life more complicated, it's played with a capo on the fifth fret, so all those notes are actually shifted up 5 semitones). An open challenge to anyone who can make anything that sounds remotely like it using a keyboard and a VI without using multiple passes.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fnlldpzq9hjss ... e.mp3?dl=0

That's to illustrate how songwriting depends on the tool in front of you. Coming up with that figure was the easiest thing in the world. You'll write a different song on a guitar to a keyboard. And that itself reflects this broader understanding of music as a whole, how you approach different instruments and get different results.

MODO BASS and DRUMS are both relatively simple by comparison. You can easily imagine a MODO GUITAR, it will be clever and assign notes to strings appropriately, you'd be able to pick and strum etc. It could be a great product. But it is inevitable that you'll never be able to play what I played in that example above.

[benjamind]

They CAN do this if they wanted to. It’s about time for a total overhaul of all of AmpliTube’s gear.

And they COULD release a realistic guitar simulation a la MODO BASS if they really wanted to, too.

We just have to wait for them to come, or wait forever in the hope that they come even if they won't, or simply move on and forget about it.

Right now I'd be looking at the last option since pining for something isn't going to make anything happen.

It's like waiting for unicorn shit. Don't waste your time.

[Uncle E]

It's like waiting for unicorn shit. Don't waste your time.

Hey, if that's what you're into.

[benjamind]

It's like waiting for unicorn shit. Don't waste your time.

Hey, if that's what you're into.

Well, isn't it much better than waiting all this time for nothing? Surely that beats the brutal frustration of spending nearly 6 years of waiting and nothing appears?

Sure, past doesn't predict future and IK could release it this year or early next year. The thing with IK releases is they don't always do them on NAMM or other similar events. They just release them on a random basis. One day you don't know anything and the next you know it's coming.

Now that's not as easy as predicting the next thunderstorm but it's easy enough. The answer is still the same. Stop waiting. Stop making up weird patterns like "oh it was 3 years since MODO DRUM and 6 years since MODO BASS so MODO GUITAR should be coming this year, right?".

It either happens or it...well, doesn't.

Stop waiting. Stop pining. Until MODO GUITAR comes out it's just some unicorn shit as far as I'm concerned. Yep I made the mistake of making up patterns in my head and waiting all this time. It was stupid. I was stupid. You know it was a stupid thing. And people who play stupid games win stupid prizes when they are proven wrong as they so often are.

It's a rather cruel and rather random world that doesn't care if you get what you want or don't as the case may be.

I won't be surprised if I end up waiting another 5 years for nothing. Remember Mokafix and his ethereal guitar project? Remember how people were convincing themselves that it was just around the corner and it could not have been any further from the truth? That "guitar" never appeared.

And...as the case may be...this "guitar" may never appear either, and I am starting to be like OK with that because it has happened before with Mokafix. Why can't the same shit happen again? Because it just might happen again.

Anyway, end of rant.

TL;DR:- Stop waiting for a unicorn to shit on your lawn. Stop waiting for the light from that fancy torch of yours to reach the end of the observable universe. Because you're wasting your time.

[Uncle E]

A unicorn just shit in my backyard. A beanstalk grew, I climbed it and stole a pot of gold from a giant. Now I’m buying IK with my riches and will release MODO Guitar tomorrow.

[benjamind]

Nice to dream but I'm giving up on it for now. I think I know what happened and for whatever reason we won't ever see something as cool as a realistic guitar emulation.

Because I've given up hope, I suddenly seem OK with that. Sad but hey if it's reality that's, well...that.

[Uncle E]

Have you ever played a lap steel or dobro?

[noiseboyuk]

Nice to dream but I'm giving up on it for now. I think I know what happened and for whatever reason we won't ever see something as cool as a realistic guitar emulation.well...that.

How would you do it? How do you translate 6 separately playable strings into 1 88 note keyboard? How do you make it do this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fnlldpzq9hjss ... e.mp3?dl=0

[SLiC]

I just learned to play a real guitar, the acoustic guitar is still the best instrument on the planet- analogue, polyphonic, MPE, built in speaker and amp and no batteries required ever....it even looks cool and can be yours for a few hundred pounds or less