Hey IK, When You Finally Do MODO Guitar...

[benjamind]

I just learned to play a real guitar, the acoustic guitar is still the best instrument on the planet- analogue, polyphonic, MPE, built in speaker and amp and no batteries required ever....it even looks cool and can be yours for a few hundred pounds or less

See my post history. I can't play because my right arm has some kind of neuropathy and it konks out after a few minutes of playing. The same happens with other instruments - even the piano.

And how does one translate keyboards to a guitar? Well, how does one do that with samples? I tell you that plenty oh plenty of developers have been able to pull that off. Oh and very small one, two or three man teams.

Why can't IK do it, since they have one hell of a development team to boot? A physical model of a guitar would also make it easier because it would streamline the string response and sound engine. Samples on the other hand take quite some work to script them to make them sound realistic.

Don't need to do that with physical models. You just approximate on the string where the pick or finger or whatever plectrum goes and you "excite" the string. No big deal eh?

If they can it for a bass guitar guess what? They can do it for an electric guitar too. No big deal eh?

It can't be done. Tell me it can't be done. Yeah, it can. It's not a question of whether they can do it. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that they just don't want to. Or that too many guitarists got in their ear and they decided to abandon the idea because it would piss off too many of their customer base. Look, Amplitube in its many iterations is used by countless guitarists world wide. No one can argue with that. Only a fool will tell you otherwise.

Who's to say that they didn't get a lot of feedback from guitarists? No one could deny that the feeling of being replaced by a piece of sophisticated software would be painful. And no one ever said it wouldn't.

But why release a modelled bass VI if you've no intention of following THAT up with a guitar VI especially since you've already released a modelled drum VI as well? Makes no sense to me. No sense what so ever.

[noiseboyuk]

It can't be done. Tell me it can't be done.

It can't be done.

And here's what I mean by that. There are hundreds of guitar VIs, and some of them are really good at doing what they can do. For the best of them, you can play six notes and it appropriately maps them to six playable strings. It can strum, it can arpeggio. It can pick, it might be able to do some slides.

What it cannot do, and will never be able to do, is this very simple transition from one chord to another:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fnlldpzq9hjss ... e.mp3?dl=0

Because on some strings I'm sliding from BELOW open strings to ABOVE them, keeping the open strings going at the same time.

So yes, IK would be able to do something called MODO guitar, but it will be limited in a way MODO bass or MODO drum are not. It's not them being lazy, it's a function of the fact that the method of playing a real guitar, six tuned strings, can never be fully emulated on an 88 note keyboard. Even if, with some incredible scripting voodoo they figured out a way to sort of do that, it still wouldn't be the same because you would have no clue what to play on a keyboard to generate that effortless effect of playing it on a guitar. It's a dead simple finger-shape on a guitar, but on a keyboard it's ridiculous.

[Uncle E]

Couldn't you just mock up a part and then hire someone on Fiver to play it? You could even have them record DI so you can make it sound like you want later.

[noiseboyuk]

Couldn't you just mock up a part and then hire someone on Fiver to play it? You could even have them record DI so you can make it sound like you want later.

Of course - but I guess the discussion here is how much you can ever expect from a guitar VI as opposed to a bass or a drum one, modelled or otherwise.

[pekbro]

well modo bass is one thing, modo guitar would be another likely way harder thing to make. anyway, you know what they say about guitarists and bass players.

[benjamind]

It would be harder to make but now do developers create sample based guitar instruments that sound 100% realistic except for the note transitions?

If they can do it then so can IK and IK would do a much better job because you would have so much flexibility and a great selection of guitars in one product - and you'd pay no more than what you'd pay for one sample based guitar.

It's. A. No. Brainer.

[pekbro]

well, there is much difference between recorded articulations and mathematically derived ones, which is the point of physical modeling. Anyway, i'm sure its not so easy,
if it was someone would have already done it.

[jamcat]

I firmly believe IK is working on MODO Guitar, and probably MODO Strings, as well.
IK just takes a VERY long time to get new products out the door.

[pekbro]

Would be interesting to see anyway, though I just use real guitars and amps myself. I don't
have a bass, but I am considering that, likely
more than modo, which i never tried either.

[benjamind]

I firmly believe IK is working on MODO Guitar, and probably MODO Strings, as well.
IK just takes a VERY long time to get new products out the door.

Better it is done right though so the waiting is worth it.

But the eternal question is: Are they working on it or not...

I bet they are but there is a voice inside me that wonders. Not sure about MODO Strings.

One of these AI amps with the output of a virtual guitar should sound incredible.

[jamcat]

The reason I think they're working on both is I just don't think they'd come this far and then just stop. There is a new picking model in MODO BASS 2, and fully modeled double bass. Both of these things point to development in other areas, namely guitar and strings.

[benjamind]

The reason I think they're working on both is I just don't think they'd come this far and then just stop. There is a new picking model in MODO BASS 2, and fully modeled double bass. Both of these things point to development in other areas, namely guitar and strings.

Well, that's what I'm thinking too. And I sure hope that they do. Then I can combine the realistic guitar with this new amazing amp sim and get a great sound completely ITB. It's a shame I can't play a real axe because I'd buy a professional series Strat in dark night and would be happy to play...I played bass for nearly 8 years before I borked my right arm. I'd be more than happy to get one and call it a day. I know that nothing will ever beat the real deal.

[pekbro]

Dunno if I'd buy a 'new' fender these days from all the horror stories I've heard recently about their appalling QC. Probably better off with software anyway.

*Lets not even talk about how they got spanked for ripping folks off with price fixing.
Horrible company.

[noiseboyuk]

I’ve said far too many times why MODO guitar can only ever be significantly limited in a way that MODO bass and MODO drums are not, but y’all carry on waiting for something that cannot happen. It’ll probably arrive one day, but it will be fundamentally limited in what it can do (just like all current guitar VIs, only modelled and limited).

Meanwhile:

This sounds really good.
Please make it so users can create libs they can share with others to load.
I want to buy libs as good as Amplitube's created by independent artists!

This is the crux of it. It’s going to be a very niche product without a library. And TBH I don’t really want to spend my life on forums downloading user versions - it should have a proper library built-in, easy to search. But then I think “I don’t really need the ability to capture at all so just give me the player version” and then I realise I’ve just described Amplitube.

[jamcat]

I’ve said far too many times why MODO guitar can only ever be significantly limited in a way that MODO bass and MODO drums are not, but y’all carry on waiting for something that cannot happen. It’ll probably arrive one day, but it will be fundamentally limited in what it can do (just like all current guitar VIs, only modelled and limited).

It can and has been done. Have you ever used Ample Sound?
The Ample Guitars are only limited by their canned sound. Users have full control over exactly how and where they are played.