AudioThing Fog Convolver v2.3 - Creative Convolution Reverb

[imrae]

I asked once a while back, but I'd love to see a similar product geared specifically towards guitar cabinet impulses with features like:

1. Loads 3 (or 4) impulses simultaneously (I figure 2 cabs, 1 room)
2. No/minimal latency
3. Same/similar bank management system with favorites as Fog Convolver 2
4. Includes a 2-band dynamic EQ with depth/frequency controls for each band. Band 1 is a low end boost, Band 2 is a midrange notch. This would simulate the dynamics of the cab moving forward and backwards to push some air.
5. Post FX (Saturation, EQ, Compression, etc.)

If you're like me and bought a few massive guitar cab impulse libraries (e.g. Ownhammer), you realize how few Cab IR plugins really do anything to help you organize these massive IR libraries. There are closed products like from Celestion, Overloud, and Softube - but there's a real gap when it comes to a good product focused on guitar players designed with the idea of "load up your own impulses - we'll help you organize them and help them sound good." I think Audio Thing can fill that gap in the marketplace. If it came with impulses of cabinets, great, but I honestly wouldn't care if it didn't!

And yeah, about every guitar amp sim lets you load up an impulse, but again...they do nothing to help you organize your library so the workflow is clumsy when you've got hundreds of IR's to sort through.

You would like MCabinet. It's technically not an IR plugin as the IRs get converted to IIR filters; but it has a lot of what you're asking for.

[zeph]

I install demo - successful. Go to presets - nothing there. Please help.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Well, limiting Fog to just 2 slots was actually necessary to avoid overcomplicating things (and having to charge way more than people might want to pay), but you can still do some of the things you said with v2.0. We also might add a proper cabinet bank in the future

Thanks! Yeah, it does most of what I want already, I really just think the differences are 1) addition of a dynamic EQ, 2) a few more slots (2 cabinet IR's and a room IR), and 3) a Freq Response view of the impulse like you traditionally see in Guitar Cab IR plugins and maybe 4) some GUI layouts to improve the workflow for guitar cabinets (i.e. show multiple IR's on one screen, a way more fine pre-delay range for dialing in the phase response on two cabinet impulses) would make an ideal sister product.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

You would like MCabinet. It's technically not an IR plugin as the IRs get converted to IIR filters; but it has a lot of what you're asking for.

Every time I use Melda plugin, I'm just turned off by their approach and GUI. Not a knock on them. Their approach to things just doesn't click with me. Anyway, I'll stop with the cabinet discussions just to not derail the thread any further.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Would it be possible to have the option for a global search? Seems like Search is limited to the current bank right now, which might be desirable in some scenarios but I think more often than not, I'd want to search for something like "room" at a global level, then audition what comes up.

Also, the plugin seems to freeze when changing banks/folders, particularly with really large banks. I hope this can be improved. I've got a giant bank of Ownhammer impulse responses and that can really, really freeze the UI.

Lastly, might be nice to have "positive, negative, and bipolar" options for the LFO's. For instance, let's say I want to use an LFO to add a tremolo effect to the output without changing the current level, I might want the Amount knob to have a negative effect on the Output.

[audiothing]

Why does v2 not have 1 or 2 envelope generators ? Or are the LFOs complex and can be setup as such ?

Envelope generators for what? You can already sculpt the IRs with the Fade In and Fade Out knobs.

[audiothing]

I install demo - successful. Go to presets - nothing there. Please help.

Try to reinstall it again making sure the Samples are selected. Otherwise, please, open a support ticket here: https://www.audiothing.net/contact/

[audiothing]

Would it be possible to have the option for a global search? Seems like Search is limited to the current bank right now, which might be desirable in some scenarios but I think more often than not, I'd want to search for something like "room" at a global level, then audition what comes up.

Unfortunately, for now, and for the way the browser was built, it's not possible to search globally. If I can find a workaround, I'll try to add it.

Also, the plugin seems to freeze when changing banks/folders, particularly with really large banks. I hope this can be improved. I've got a giant bank of Ownhammer impulse responses and that can really, really freeze the UI.

How many impulses are we talking about here? Do you have an SSD or HDD?

Lastly, might be nice to have "positive, negative, and bipolar" options for the LFO's. For instance, let's say I want to use an LFO to add a tremolo effect to the output without changing the current level, I might want the Amount knob to have a negative effect on the Output.

Ah, the eternal question of how should the LFO be implemented. Adding more options would break existing presets/projects etc...

[Tj Shredder]

Adding more options would break existing presets/projects etc...

Why? Existing presets only need to be set to what was there before…
Its not my issue though, as Bitwig user I can have any modulation imaginable from outside anyway, especially true for CLAP plugins…

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Adding more options would break existing presets/projects etc...

Why? Existing presets only need to be set to what was there before…
Its not my issue though, as Bitwig user I can have any modulation imaginable from outside anyway, especially true for CLAP plugins…

That was my thinking...1) add a new parameter at the end of the list, 2) build some logic that says "if missing from a preset/project, default to [current state]". I'm pretty sure AudioThing's added params in the past. But I'm not the one who would have to code it and it always seems far more trivial from the outside, especially to non-developers.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

How many impulses are we talking about here? Do you have an SSD or HDD?

That folder is a giant mess. Over 6 figures in terms of individual files, multiple cabinets, multiple mic positions and mixes, multiple same rates, multiple impulse lengths, multiple formats. For now, ignore this feedback, I'm going to make a copy of that folder that's more reasonably sized for Fog Convolver.

[audiothing]

Adding more options would break existing presets/projects etc...

Why? Existing presets only need to be set to what was there before…
Its not my issue though, as Bitwig user I can have any modulation imaginable from outside anyway, especially true for CLAP plugins…

What I meant is that changing the behavior of a parameter, or adding values to discrete parameters (unless accounted for in advance) is going to break retro compatibility.
And yeah, Bitwig's modulation capabilities are incredible.

[audiothing]

That folder is a giant mess. Over 6 figures in terms of individual files, multiple cabinets, multiple mic positions and mixes, multiple same rates, multiple impulse lengths, multiple formats. For now, ignore this feedback, I'm going to make a copy of that folder that's more reasonably sized for Fog Convolver.

Oh wow, well "6 figures" is definitely going to be challenging. That being said, I'm implementing a few more ways of optimizing the browser further, so it's going to have better performance for sure.

[Wrong Eq]

Why does v2 not have 1 or 2 envelope generators ? Or are the LFOs complex and can be setup as such ?

Envelope generators for what? You can already sculpt the IRs with the Fade In and Fade Out knobs.

For the things your can modulate with the LFOs mabye ?

I also dislike that you can't trigger the LFO's by midi.

[audiothing]

Envelope generators for what? You can already sculpt the IRs with the Fade In and Fade Out knobs.

For the things your can modulate with the LFOs mabye ?

I also dislike that you can't trigger the LFO's by midi.

I thought you meant something to shape the IR. Yes, it might be possible to add envelope followers. Adding envelope generators or having the LFO triggered by MIDI instead is a completely different matter. That's not easily possible with all plugin formats and all DAWs, it creates too much trouble. If you really want more flexibility, Bitwig might just be the best option in general.