CLAP... thoughts?

[Markus Krause]

Reaper supports CLAP!
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=269287

This is fantastic news!
Unlike Vst3 the Plugin developers as well as DAW developers rapidly integrate this new standard. This proves that there was a serious demand for a new and really free and fair plugin standard by the Industry.
This is great news since users as well as developers will not longer depend on a single company's self-benificial and bad decisions

[S0lo]

That said, *some* control over voice differences can be a good thing, but one really needs to get a good balance between benefit and user experience.

Yeah, I was thinking of a hidden right click menu to select the voice for whoever happens to want this.

So I think most polysynths represent voice level changes as modulation. For instance, surge has a lot of ways to control differences per voice - that's the whole mod matrix!

I have, though, thought about making voice level macros in surge in a future version. This would allow you to have voice-level items which can be shared entry points into the mod matrix and I think it would be super neat. But it's a moderate re-work.

I really think of automation as 'move the knob' though and there's only one knob (even though the spec supports voice level automation indeed).

Interesting discussion though. I'll ponder it.

I always resorted to recording automation to the host using plugin UI. But thats just me. People might have the complete opposite preference, and go for drawing automation in their host. And since I’m at the verge of coding it for poly, better ask to have an idea

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Just a friendly reminder, the Reaper developers ask that things in the Reaper pre-releases not be discussed outside of the pre-release forum. I think we all long suspected CLAP would make it to Reaper with Schwa's early involvement, but it could take a while, may change, may get backed out prior to official releases...and issues may get reported elsewhere than the proper forum threads. So lets try to be mindful of all of these things. If you're going to try it out, comment in the pre-release forum and accept that this is an early-build and things may change/break and you're basically acting as a tester. Or just wait until it's ready.

[glokraw]

Here's the CLAP windows Diva running in the CLAP enabled windows Reaper
running in wine-staging in AVLinux, a preconfigured audio-production linux.
And a gorgeous sound from Ingo Weidner, in the Third Party sounds folder.

Diva-CLAP-Reaper-in wine.jpg

[glokraw]

Makin' sure it wasn't a fluke, here's Hive 2 CLAP version in the same linux setup

Hive-CLAP-wine-Reaper.jpg

[glokraw]

Mike from https://www.acmt.co.uk/

Applied Computer Music Technologies / OverTone DSP

made and gifted a fine CLAP passive filter. I put it after my favorite ampsim preset, and it was like getting some secret pedal from Rick Beato's private reserve Looking forward to spending some quality time with it! In the pic, it is following a pad sound from U-he CLAP version of Hive, in
Bitwig 8Track 4.3.2

In the far-right column, you can see how Bitwig display the CLAP plugin selection.

CLAP-Hive-and-CLAP-ACM-3SA.jpg

[Mr Arkadin]

I hope Studio One go for it. Any news?

[Urs]

Best to ask them directly, I suppose?

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I hope Studio One go for it. Any news?

CLAP is only a few weeks old and there hasn't been a major update of Studio One since it's introduction. Give them some time!

I would not expect to see CLAP until maybe Studio One 6.0 at the earliest considering where they are in the development cycle and that potentially being a "big feature".

[pdxindy]

I hope Studio One go for it. Any news?

Presonus was on the initial list of companies... so they at least had some interest.

[Mr Arkadin]

I hope Studio One go for it. Any news?

CLAP is only a few weeks old and there hasn't been a major update of Studio One since it's introduction. Give them some time!

I would not expect to see CLAP until maybe Studio One 6.0 at the earliest considering where they are in the development cycle and that potentially being a "big feature".

I was asking more along the lines of, "Are they even interested?" as opposed to, 'Is it in the next update?"

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I hope Studio One go for it. Any news?

CLAP is only a few weeks old and there hasn't been a major update of Studio One since it's introduction. Give them some time!

I would not expect to see CLAP until maybe Studio One 6.0 at the earliest considering where they are in the development cycle and that potentially being a "big feature".

I was asking more along the lines of, "Are they even interested?" as opposed to, 'Is it in the next update?"

Ah...Yeah, they're interested. Presonus were included in the original CLAP announcement as companies that have expressed interest. So was Avid, much to everyone's surprise.

[Jorgeelalto]

I hope Studio One go for it. Any news?

CLAP is only a few weeks old and there hasn't been a major update of Studio One since it's introduction. Give them some time!

I would not expect to see CLAP until maybe Studio One 6.0 at the earliest considering where they are in the development cycle and that potentially being a "big feature".

I was asking more along the lines of, "Are they even interested?" as opposed to, 'Is it in the next update?"

Ah...Yeah, they're interested. Presonus were included in the original CLAP announcement as companies that have expressed interest. So was Avid, much to everyone's surprise.

I think Avid's interest in this is "hey, new technology, let's keep an eye on that just in case we can use (part of) it internally sometime", more than "hey that's cool, let's make Pro Tools compatible with CLAP". They would have used VST if they were interested in adding plugin format support before.

[trackbout]

That’s not really a safe parallel to draw. Steinberg makes a DAW that competes directly with Pro Tools, requires an onerous legal contract, and exerts extreme control over the technology and it’s usage.

CLAP is pretty much the opposite of all of that, so Avid might easily arrive at a different conclusion in this case.

[aMUSEd]

I hope Studio One go for it. Any news?

CLAP is only a few weeks old and there hasn't been a major update of Studio One since it's introduction. Give them some time!

I would not expect to see CLAP until maybe Studio One 6.0 at the earliest considering where they are in the development cycle and that potentially being a "big feature".

I was asking more along the lines of, "Are they even interested?" as opposed to, 'Is it in the next update?"

Ah...Yeah, they're interested. Presonus were included in the original CLAP announcement as companies that have expressed interest. So was Avid, much to everyone's surprise.

I think Avid's interest in this is "hey, new technology, let's keep an eye on that just in case we can use (part of) it internally sometime", more than "hey that's cool, let's make Pro Tools compatible with CLAP". They would have used VST if they were interested in adding plugin format support before.

Maybe they see CLAP as a way out of the corner they boxed themselves into with AAX (on Mac) but never wanted to do a deal with their rival for VST tech.