Tal J-8

[vertibration]

My only request for Tal was to add the ability to change the colors like sampler, and mod. He said its kind of embedded into the code differently, so it is hard to do.

It would be really great though. A nice off white J-8 would be clean AF

[zvenx]

Yes this was one of the earliest FR, people wanted a different choice GUI.
Pity he hasn't' been able to do it as yet.
rsp

[hebex]

You want it to improve to become a better jupiter 8 which you have never played in person and you are hypothesizing what it sounds like as the knobs turn.
What is the point of me trying to have a sensible discussion with you on that?
You have your opinion not based on any reality of the real instrument.

If you had played with one so you know first hand, or even presented audio/video evidence of a real jupiter doing stuff that the j-8 doesn't do well, that would be different.

How is it sounds like "any ordinary digital sounding VST- instrument" constructive criticism?

You have your opinions about the sound which you are clearly entitled too.. but that doesn't make your opinions fact.

This I consider constructive criticism:

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... stcount=93

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... tcount=140

cause he has a jupiter 8 presently and can compare directly.

rsp

You don´t need to have the actual hardware to do side-by-side comparisons with and you don´t need to be able to express the engineer lingo to verify that a VST-synth doesn´t sound what it is supposed to if it was a real analog hardware synthesizer. You only need ears.

And I have told what J-8 sounds like as soon as one changes the parameters of a given preset, the J-8 doesn´t behave like it would if it was a real analog synth. I own several analog synthesizers and know basically how they all are supposed to sound -- they are not supposed to sound digital and sharp to the ears as the J-8 do in the given presets.

That is, albeit basic, still constructive criticism.

[mrbbojahr]

Well, at least if the sounds are allowed to have a bit of the typical 80's aesthetic, you can actually find quite useful sounds in many sets. Often it helps to simply turn off the chorus and double the sound instead. Possibly adjust the calibration knobs of the synthesizer a bit.

How do you like the following demo (sorry, self-promotion... )? You can download all the sounds from it for free, and there are some presets in there that also sound a bit rougher.

https://soundcloud.com/bjoern-bojahr/de ... bb-the-80s

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I guess most of us here, if not all, want the VST-instruments to sound as great as possible and that we´ll be able to take the utmost advantage of their potential, before perhaps shelling exponentially more cash on the hardware equivalents.

Yeah, I downloaded and tried your patches in J-8. With respect and I mean no offense -- some joking and irony aside, I personally strive for honesty and no-BS in this forum -- some of those patches are nice, yes, but they all seem to have a very, very small sweet spot. If you turn away just a slight bit from the patch settings by touching some parameters, cutoff filter or whatever, the patches very quickly turn very digital and sharp to the ears. Something that I don´t think the original hardware would do.

Those patches, in other words, pretty much resemble patches in a rompler. Stay in the small window and it may serve you, but don´t make any substantial adjustments, because then the sound goes off and doesn´t sound like a Jupiter anymore, but like an ordinary digital sounding VST-instrument.

I might then as well do a search in Omnisphere 2 for Jupiter patches and find even better patches with Jupiter character. I´ll lose the feeling of sitting with a digital version of the actual synth, but IMO with a significantly better sounding engine and other things, effects, hardware integration, etc, massaging the output and/or helping a streamlined workflow.

Thank you for your feedback. I can also understand that a little bit.

For example, I feel a bit like this with U-He Diva: I love the typical Roland sounds from Diva, they are often tonally exactly my taste and sometimes even sound to me as if I had already polished them up a bit.
But with all the additional possibilities in Diva, you very quickly get into areas that wouldn't work at all with the original! But Diva is great there, I find it an enrichment.

TAL-J-8 has its own character for me, which I also like very much and which often for my taste hits incredibly well the character I like in typical Jupiter sounds from legendary albums.

[waltercruz]

Really? You tried mine?

Not yet! Will listen your demos later

Cool, Also you can download the small free demo pack to play with.

Listened to your audio demos and played the demo patches right now, and yes, your patches are much more in line of what I expect from Jupiter-8! The patch called 'Jupiter' is spectacular!

This is not a criticism to other designers, all appreciated, but from what I heard until now, Biome_Digital patches are the ones that show me more of a particular Jupiter character.

[Biome_Digital]

Really? You tried mine?

Not yet! Will listen your demos later

Cool, Also you can download the small free demo pack to play with.

Listened to your audio demos and played the demo patches right now, and yes, your patches are much more in line of what I expect from Jupiter-8! The patch called 'Jupiter' is spectacular!

This is not a criticism to other designers, all appreciated, but from what I heard until now, Biome_Digital patches are the ones that show me more of a particular Jupiter character.

That's great feedback, thank you. I am glad you like them

[mi-os]

There's a trick for legato on J-8, portamento on with a 0 amount works almost 100% fine (and afaik, this is how it works on other TAL synths), with a small caveat: for every non-legato note a bit of portamento happens, and in the Arturia Jup-8 it doesn't happen.

This was the idea to make it possible to have both options. That some portamento happens is a drawback. Luckily things like this are easy to fix.

Maybe we should add a new voice mode. N (Normal -> the current), RR (Round Robin), J8 (original). I made a note about it. Hope i can start with this in the next weeks.

Well, I will share the patch here.

Relax Frankie.zip

Hi Patrick,

Maybe you could take Walter's patch, the original multitrack and your own Jupiter 8 and analyze if there is room for improvement? That saturated, creamy analog sound many of us are after.

Thanks for listening

[mrbbojahr]

I don't know if Patrick has to change something here or if we should just use the options a bit more extensively...

Because of the good sounds I bought the Biome_Digital soundset "Gas Giant - TAL J-8 Presets" and also listened to the sounds. I also like the set very much, that was a good recommendation!

But: just the sounds that we discuss here, I think, extensively use the service control / voice tuning parameters and also the calibration options. We don't have to hope or wait for an update here, but can do something about it ourselves right now! With the SC Lock, you can even easily freeze it and then play other presets and have this effect on other sounds.

Personally, I don't necessarily remember the Jupiter 8 with such a sound, back then it sounded rather clear and tuning stable to me - at least compared to the Minimoog or other analog synthesizers. Today I have only my own samples for comparison and there I have reproduced with TAL-J-8 so far every sound identically and far more alive than a multisample! This may certainly not replace a direct comparison, but I also have a lot of samples that actually sound "worse" than the now reprogrammed version with the TAL-J-8.

Besides that, we might also have to consider that many of the old legends also used effects from the time and often ran through a big mixer and tape machine. Today you can simulate such a setup with EQ/PreAmp, reverb and tape machine in the computer. There is even more bite to the filter sweeps and that was probably normal at the time. But for me, such things don't necessarily have to be reproduced in a software emulation of a synthesizer.

[waltercruz]

Paolo from Synthmania is doing some sound research on his Jupiter-8, recreating some classic patches, and it's always nice to see the real thing working

Relax:



I Want To Break Free solo:

[zvenx]

Version 1.6.1 / 09.08.2022

Important MPE timbre fix. Changed to bipolar modulation. -> Breaking Change: you may need to readjust the cutoff for existing sessions or presets.
CLAP plug-in format including support for polyphonic expressions added.
Jupiter 8 hardware voice mode added (SOLO and POLY II).
UI updated.

Seems those who want a lighter skin got it in the UI update, I prefer the original darker one personally.
rsp

[Echoes in the Attic]

I tried the CLAP version of the update and in Bitwig the modulators still move the controls on screen, which tells me it's not polyphonic modulation. Is there a setting to activate somewhere?

[zvenx]

You may want to email Patrick for a quicker answer, I don't use Bitwig or CLAP, sorry.
rsp

[zvenx]

Am I the only one who definitely prefers the older GUI?


rsp

[EvilDragon]

Nope, I like the old one better too.

[perpetual3]

Definitely prefer the older one