I think that maybe I won't get used to working this way and in the end it will be a waste of time and money.
What is your opinion?
Can anyone save me from myself?
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 30 Jan, 2018
I'm pretty obsessed with buying a couple of controllers for Daw: Avid S1 and the Dock. On the other hand unfortunately these don't work with my chosen Daw: Reaper. In order to get the full potential of the S1 and the Dock I need to work with Protools, which will cost me a minimum of €9 per month for 30 tracks. This idea discourages me. In addition, it will take me a while to learn Protools and it does not seem like a Daw that is up to Reaper. I don't want to offend anyone but I've done a lot of research and I know what I'm talking about. I wouldn't mind mixing with Protools if that would give me a better and more effective workflow.
I think that maybe I won't get used to working this way and in the end it will be a waste of time and money.
What is your opinion?
I think that maybe I won't get used to working this way and in the end it will be a waste of time and money.
What is your opinion?
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- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
yup keep it simple
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"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
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- KVRAF
- 11318 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
There’s a very good chance you don’t need it. How much heavy lifting do you do with mixing now?
If you’re interested in buying because you think you’ll be doing some heavy mixing sessions later, then you definitely don’t need it.
Learning a new DAW is going to slow you down. Paying monthly for it, is a painful reminder that it’s slowing you down. Time and money later you’ll wish you hadn’t and then feel guilty for wasted time, wasted money and wasted effort.
You won’t get any of that back.
It’s a sexy looking controller but if you don’t need to access multiple tracks at once like when live tracking, then chances are very high that you’ll end up mixing down, one track at a time and again reminding yourself later that you wasted time, money and effort.
Hope that helps.
If you’re interested in buying because you think you’ll be doing some heavy mixing sessions later, then you definitely don’t need it.
Learning a new DAW is going to slow you down. Paying monthly for it, is a painful reminder that it’s slowing you down. Time and money later you’ll wish you hadn’t and then feel guilty for wasted time, wasted money and wasted effort.
You won’t get any of that back.
It’s a sexy looking controller but if you don’t need to access multiple tracks at once like when live tracking, then chances are very high that you’ll end up mixing down, one track at a time and again reminding yourself later that you wasted time, money and effort.
Hope that helps.
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- KVRAF
- 20784 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Console 1 is great (instead of S1/Dock). Only works with dedicated plugins but that means the integration is tight, plus the dedicated plugins are excellent.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 59 posts since 30 Jan, 2018
Yes I do heavy mixes with lots of side chain, docking, paralel, busses, reverb, delays ...
S1 has the Channel strip as well as the dock, you select it through the application on the tablet and you can use both the protools plugins and those of waves, plugin alliance or fab filter. You can map the Eq and Dynamics to the 8 rotaries so in the end is like a console ... Well I don't know. In the end what makes a mix good is not only Eq and compression but saturation and the positioning and contrast of the elements in relate with each other and also the automation. All that includes reverb and delay so definitely there is no daw controller that covers all this. Maybe a controller like mpmidi would be a good tool instead of a daw controller.
Nice that you answer my post. Have a great weekend.
S1 has the Channel strip as well as the dock, you select it through the application on the tablet and you can use both the protools plugins and those of waves, plugin alliance or fab filter. You can map the Eq and Dynamics to the 8 rotaries so in the end is like a console ... Well I don't know. In the end what makes a mix good is not only Eq and compression but saturation and the positioning and contrast of the elements in relate with each other and also the automation. All that includes reverb and delay so definitely there is no daw controller that covers all this. Maybe a controller like mpmidi would be a good tool instead of a daw controller.
Nice that you answer my post. Have a great weekend.
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- KVRAF
- 11318 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
(Keep in mind you asked fir help, and continuing on here, but maybe this just helps you decide to buy)mduke123 wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:52 pm Yes I do heavy mixes with lots of side chain, docking, paralel, busses, reverb, delays ...
S1 has the Channel strip as well as the dock, you select it through the application on the tablet and you can use both the protools plugins and those of waves, plugin alliance or fab filter. You can map the Eq and Dynamics to the 8 rotaries so in the end is like a console ... Well I don't know. In the end what makes a mix good is not only Eq and compression but saturation and the positioning and contrast of the elements in relate with each other and also the automation. All that includes reverb and delay so definitely there is no daw controller that covers all this. Maybe a controller like mpmidi would be a good tool instead of a daw controller.
Nice that you answer my post. Have a great weekend.
Not heavy mixes, but heavy mixing… like you’re knocking out multiples in a day.
And then even if you are knocking out multiple, you’re probable using template sets (or should be if not) and only deep diving in effects.
*if none of this changes your mind (keeping in mind we don’t know you) then maybe it’s worth while buying.
Let’s try something’s else…
An asshole of a former KVRmember who once faked his own internet death and shall not be named (true story) once gave some good advice.
Nothing is worth buying unless it either makes you sound better, or helps you work faster.
From your response it seem you believe this helps you work faster, except you’re unsure about ProTools. If I’m wrong, it’s worth sharing a bit more about why you’re on the fence.
ProTools is a great host but in my opinion, but is run by a shit company (also just my opinion).
Business side of things out the way, there’s not much to worry about if moving from Reaper to PT.
PT will seem quirky in the beginning because interactions with PT are the same they have been for years. It is not a modern host and adding tracks and setting up buses will remind you of that.
Where PT is bad (my opinion) is when creating midi tracks from scratch. Maybe it’s gotten better but since you’re concerned about mixing then the quirks of PT will be easy to adjust to.
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- KVRAF
- 20784 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Console 1 + Console 1 Fader covers all this but only with its own plugins or with Universal Audio plugins. The one that covers all that and works with anything is Slate Raven.mduke123 wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:52 pm In the end what makes a mix good is not only Eq and compression but saturation and the positioning and contrast of the elements in relate with each other and also the automation. All that includes reverb and delay so definitely there is no daw controller that covers all this.
If the main issue is whether to switch to Pro Tools or not, I’ll just say that, IMHO, it is a better mixing platform than Reaper is.
MP MIDI looks cool. Nice to see that it was successfully launched.
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- KVRAF
- 3086 posts since 4 May, 2012
PT does have some nice touch sensitive hardware that it integrates with perfectly. It's a pleasure to use. But I would probably look into the compatibility of something like an Icon system with Reaper.
Moving from PT to Reaper was painless for me - other than still missing PT's comping system.
Moving from PT to Reaper was painless for me - other than still missing PT's comping system.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 59 posts since 30 Jan, 2018
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 59 posts since 30 Jan, 2018
I want to thank you to all for the wise comments. Really I appreciate your time. Finally I have decided not to continue with the purchase. I see that the number of clicks I would have to do in a tiny screen to reach the EQ or the Dynamics would make the whole thing usless in the end.
Instead I am going to purchase more TC Electronic controllers for basic operations like EQ, some Dynamics and Spacial Treatment. I will try to teach myself to use more often the Midifighter Twister maped to the mixer and to some plugins. The rest: mouse and keyboard plus a tablet with Touch Portal running Reaper commands.
In the end, one is always looking for what one does not have instead of trying to enjoy it.
Instead I am going to purchase more TC Electronic controllers for basic operations like EQ, some Dynamics and Spacial Treatment. I will try to teach myself to use more often the Midifighter Twister maped to the mixer and to some plugins. The rest: mouse and keyboard plus a tablet with Touch Portal running Reaper commands.
In the end, one is always looking for what one does not have instead of trying to enjoy it.
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- KVRAF
- 20784 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Agreed, and yet…isn’t that still what you’re doing?mduke123 wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:44 pm In the end, one is always looking for what one does not have instead of trying to enjoy it.
FWIW, highly recommend the Console 1 over the TC solutions. Sounds better and solves your every request, including number of clicks (completely frees you from that).
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 59 posts since 30 Jan, 2018
It is very diificult to explain.Uncle E wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:20 pm FWIW, highly recommend the Console 1 over the TC solutions. Sounds better and solves your every request, including number of clicks (completely frees you from that).
First the position of my sound tracks in the mixer are related to the multiple busses and paralel tracks, so for example now I am mixing a new song and my drums are tracks 76,77,78 and 79. The first 24 tracks are only VCAs. So I need those tracks to be there to decide if I want to paralel them and to see the levels of the sends. For this makes very difficult to use a 10 fader console and navegate to the track 76. Is there a way to solve this?
In the other hand I do not want to dedicate my sound to one brand. For example for compression I like very much TC DYN but I also like Melda, Acustica, Shadow Hills, SSL, Ik Multimedia so depending on the source I will choose one of them. The same for the saturation. Then it comes the frecuency collitions for what I use Neutron to detect and Smart:Comp to mix
In the end my mixes are very flexible in terms of colors. I guess now I need to experiment more.
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- KVRian
- 510 posts since 21 Feb, 2022
You seem to have already changed your mind. But I'll just drop this in anyway: Don't switch DAWs unless you have very good reason to. GAS isn't that reason.
I have heard people name legit reasons for making this switch over the years. In every single case, they needed functionality that straight up *isn't in reaper*, fancy controller or not.
Those cases were rare back then, and are even rarer now that Reaper has gotten better.
FWIW, I learned all my grown-up DAW skills over like 1000 hours in Pro Tools with a pretty good controller. After my firs like 5 hours in Reaper I felt sure I wasn't going back. Still feel sure.
If you've learnt to set up your big mixing sessions in Reaper, Pro Tools will very likely frustrate you. And cost you more money... Pro Tools is a good program, but it's getting harder and harder to justify it to anyone that doesn't already have the time investment in it. There's another couple cents.