Fulltone effects closing

[mumpcake]

https://www.musicradar.com/news/fullton ... ls-closing

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I wonder if that would be happening if Mike Fuller hadn't decided to share his [in my view, abhorrent] opinions on the George Floyd protests. I really wish he thought about his 10, 15, 20-year employees and their families then. Actually, I wish he didn't hold such views in the first place, but his actions appeared to negatively impact all of those people who work for him. Feel bad for those employees - hope they land on their feet.

It's a shame too because the company made excellent products by every account (I never bought any Fulltone stuff but probably would've otherwise).

[mumpcake]

I had also read somewhere that Guitar Center wanted to cut ties with him for some time before his comments on the George Floyd protests gave them a good excuse to do so. I don't remember why that was though.

I seem to remember not liking him from his posts on newsgroups back when for non-political reasons, so I probably wouldn't have bought any of his stuff. But the OCD does sound pretty good.

[vurt]

I wonder if that would be happening if Mike Fuller hadn't decided to share his [in my view, abhorrent] opinions on the George Floyd protests. I really wish he thought about his 10, 15, 20-year employees and their families then. Actually, I wish he didn't hold such views in the first place, but his actions appeared to negatively impact all of those people who work for him. Feel bad for those employees - hope they land on their feet.

It's a shame too because the company made excellent products by every account (I never bought any Fulltone stuff but probably would've otherwise).

jhs seems to have managed to get away with his inappropriate comments with most folk not caring.
and his pedals aren't that exciting either.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

jhs seems to have managed to get away with his inappropriate comments with most folk not caring.
and his pedals aren't that exciting either.

I've never heard of any JHS-related controversy other than vague stuff like 'he's in a weird church' [I'm not going to knock anyone for their religion or church unless they themselves do/say things I find reprehensible] or the one I hear all the time, "he clones circuits!" Which, every pedal is either a clone of something, or a modified version of an existing circuit. Not going down that rabbit hole (software clones good, hardware clones bad, is it a clone if it's not trying to deceive anyone, etc.).

If there are other examples of Josh Scott being an awful human being, I certainly haven't seen them. I find the JHS Show highly entertaining and informative, he seems like a decent guy from what I can tell, and spends most of his time hawking other people's products.

But if you have examples of him going into Mike Fuller levels of vitriol, that would be news to me and I'd be open to learning more.

[vurt]

it was church related, i don't remember the exact wording, was a few years back, but he was suggesting re-education camps for gay people.

was an old blog post. im sure google can provide more details.

[Dencheg]

I wonder if that would be happening if Mike Fuller hadn't decided to share his [in my view, abhorrent] opinions on the George Floyd protests. I really wish he thought about his 10, 15, 20-year employees and their families then. Actually, I wish he didn't hold such views in the first place, but his actions appeared to negatively impact all of those people who work for him. Feel bad for those employees - hope they land on their feet.

It's a shame too because the company made excellent products by every account (I never bought any Fulltone stuff but probably would've otherwise).

Perhaps I’m risking, but i didn’t get the level of ostracism his comments caused. I think i can read, and he clearly didn’t deny the existing problem (or cluster of problems). He spoke out about looting specifically, which affected store owners of all colors, genders and ages.
The way he put it - it’s another question, but he shouldn’t have got the backfire at the same level as some utter racists (which he’s not, i think)
Please correct me if i’m wrong.

It’s a shame, the pedals are good

[GaryG]

"this four year climate makes 100% made in the USA impossible"

is that a dig at the current US administration or does four year climate mean something else?

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Perhaps I’m risking, but i didn’t get the level of ostracism his comments caused. I think i can read, and he clearly didn’t deny the existing problem (or cluster of problems). He spoke out about looting specifically, which affected store owners of all colors, genders and ages.
The way he put it - it’s another question, but he shouldn’t have got the backfire at the same level as some utter racists (which he’s not, i think)
Please correct me if i’m wrong.

It’s a shame, the pedals are good

I hope we can discuss it without going to Hyde Park Territory since it could directly impact the closing of Fulltone.

It's one thing to say, "hey, looting isn't cool", but once you start getting into using dog-whistle terms like "gang-bangers" in the context of George Floyd protestors and looting, that's just not ok. Or just idiotic vitriol like "Ahh I feel better, and flushed out some prissy boys who were raised to pee sitting down."

A large part of his customer base is on the liberal end of the spectrum and just didn't want to tolerate that, hence the boycott, and corporate retailers looking to serve that market wanted no part of that either. Enough people read his comments and bailed on the company taking their money elsewhere. He's got as much a right to free speech as anyone else of course, but the market will ultimately decide what it's willing to tolerate.

Considering how pedals are flying off shelves, despite component shortages and increased costs, I think Fulltone losing distributors and retail partners must've been costly to make the business less profitable in what otherwise may have been a good time. Probably not the only factor, but I'd think a large one.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

"this four year climate makes 100% made in the USA impossible"

is that a dig at the current US administration or does four year climate mean something else?

Covid was what? 3 years ago? His comments were just over 2 years ago. He could even be referencing BLM protests. Who knows! He doesn't seem like a guy that chooses his words all that carefully.

[GaryG]

Yeah... even that statement had a mix of concern for his staff then casual boasts about being ok, buying a studio etc. A career in PR beckons.

[mumpcake]

"this four year climate makes 100% made in the USA impossible"

is that a dig at the current US administration or does four year climate mean something else?

Covid was what? 3 years ago? His comments were just over 2 years ago. He could even be referencing BLM protests. Who knows! He doesn't seem like a guy that chooses his words all that carefully.

The BLM quotes were obviously from back then, but the comments about the "four year climate" look like they came from the recent press release.