Jumping ship from Live to Cubase

[tehlord]

Could never get on with Logic. It seems similar to Cubase, but in reality it's not. I want to like it, but meh.

Why do you think that is? I'm in the same boat, never been able to gel with Logic despite several attempts. But with Cubase, even after a ten+ year absence being on Live, I pick up things very quickly.

First of all, I will confess the last version of Logic I bought was 9, so things have changed a lot since then, but two things stuck out for me -

1) The browser was effing horrendous. It 'felt' like just getting stuff into Logic was a chore. Saying that, the same could be said of Cubase a couple of itterations ago.

2) The snap function was just broken, and this for me was the main issue I had. It was at the time, completely unpredictable and meant I had to wrestle with most midi parts, whether played in live or clicked in manually.

On top of that, I found simple things like adding plugins less intuitive, in the same way that the Live arrange page is less intuitive than the Cubase one. That of course is just subjective preference, but important to creative workflow.

[xbitz]

^^^ + as I see selecting MIDI notes doesn't change the track focus so multitrack/clip MIDI editing is also PITA in Logic only notes from the actually selected track can be edited and it can't be changed from the piano roll

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S1 works best IMO on this area (personally I would definitely give S1 a chance, has https://splice.com/plugins/search?category=daw 14 days free period before picking Cubase, just hope Fender doesn't kill it somehow, it can use the shortkeys of Cubase https://blog.presonus.com/2018/02/02/ma ... tudio-one/ so don't have to relearn everything)

[EnGee]

^^^ Are you sure? I think editing Midi in Logic is excellent!

[xbitz]

^^^ https://www.logicprohelp.com/forums/top ... workaround

if needs the score editor for changing(as a workaround)track focus I think it is not possible from the piano roll, but it's an older post so everything is possible but I wasn't able to find a proper solution

let's check the video...

ps. yepp just check the bonus part from 4:12 double clicking on notes really able to change the focus but also removes all the other tracks temporarily...so not so handy should work as S1 on the video above

[EnGee]

^^^ But you can return to the previous view of displaying all the tracks again. It is not like S1 exactly but do you think this is a show stopper?
Anyway, why do you want to edit more than one track at the same time in the piano roll to begin with? If you are going to do orchestral work, definitely use the score editor. Personally, I edit one track at a time and I use my ears to hear how it is going with other tracks. I only used Cubase multi windows piano rolls 20 years ago when I was learning how to fit each sound visually.

[DrGonzo]

Sometimes it is good to be a hoarder never selling off stuff. Just found an old Steinberg dongle on my desk with a valid Cubase 4 license. That took off a real chunk of the price!

[xbitz]

^^^ But you can return to the previous view of displaying all the tracks again. It is not like S1 exactly but do you think this is a show stopper?
Anyway, why do you want to edit more than one track at the same time in the piano roll to begin with? If you are going to do orchestral work, definitely use the score editor. Personally, I edit one track at a time and I use my ears to hear how it is going with other tracks. I only used Cubase multi windows piano rolls 20 years ago when I was learning how to fit each sound visually.

the upper region part top-riff<>high bass is a sliding-block game in trance , much easier if can see all the parts (especially because of the long reverb tails and delays)

both MIDI note editing and listen-back tool support the note-based track selection from the piano roll... it was easier to upload something from my actual scratchpad, so

this is the MIDI-related creative workflow, multiple tracks can be listened back by using solo-safe

[EnGee]

the upper region part top-riff<>high bass is a sliding-block game in trance , much easier if can see all the parts (especially because of the long reverb tails and delays)

both MIDI note editing and listen-back tool support the note-based track selection from the piano roll... it was easier to upload something from my actual scratchpad, so
[Video]
this is the MIDI-related creative workflow, multiple tracks can be listened back by using solo-safe

Oh I see now! Ok! There are some points to make. The most important ones are the genre and the workflow.

We have both two different genre's and workflow, so that we couldn't understand why or what the other person is saying!

I don't use the pen tool for composing (except for drums, but even then, sometimes I do play it and record it but first kick and snare, then another take hi that, then fill in with pen).
I also don't do Trance. I do ambient or electronica or pop or alternative rock or even some hip hopish thing, something not dance music or modern dance music.

So, I do record a track by a track. Never did multi tracks thing because I record what I play on my midi keyboard. I do of course correct some mistakes by the pen tool, but I do like to record without quantisation on. Sometimes I do use quantisation after the recording but just like 30% or 40%, but most of the times I keep recording the same till I feel it right.

Last thing, which I hate to bring this, but Logic/Mac is much tighter in midi recording than Windows/S1 or Windows/Cubase. In S1/Cubase the recording midi is always ahead of the grid. In Logic is much better midi accuracy timing. I won't discuss this anymore, so if anyone wants to be sure, he/she can google it and then try all the possibilities. For me, I already have done that and seen the results. Of course if you are composing with the pen or use the quantised recording, then that won't affect you a bit

[sQeetz]

I hate note editing in Logic. Just bought Ableton Live out of spite.

[xbitz]

Oh I see now! Ok! There are some points to make. The most important ones are the genre and the workflow...

forgot to mention

even can transfer notes between the selected tracks, also very very handy in ...pen-based composing... so if have to create solid textures using 1/16 or smaller notes as on the video ... and doesn't exist in other DAWs (AFAIK) so S1 makes the life much easier in this specific genre

[mothra]

Sometimes it is good to be a hoarder never selling off stuff. Just found an old Steinberg dongle on my desk with a valid Cubase 4 license. That took off a real chunk of the price!

That's the way to do it hah! When I moved back last December, I bought the cross grade for a whopping $299 or so to move to Cubase 11 Pro and got a free upgrade to 12 when it dropped in March with it.. Didn't even have to dig out my Logic Pro invoice as Sweetwater had my Ableton Live Suite upgrade in my history already and made it take no time at all to get it approved and sorted.

I tried to do it a year or two before with my old VST32 dongle but that one was a little too old for them to help with haha.

[Trensharo]

I feel like I am going to opposite direction. Cubase is amazing but its the Marinara Trench of DAWs. I like Ableton's design ethos and the fact that it covers most areas of synthesis with stock devices.

Also, the controller support there is industry leading. Even the controller I have with stock MIDI Remote support in Cubase can't touch Ableton's support for that controller.

I did use Cubase to arrange and mix everything I did in MPC or Maschine, but I sold all my Akai stuff and I'm replacing that entire workflow with Reason 12 and may remove Cubase and put Studio One back, cause its more comfortable to use on a laptop. I'm going to be on the road for a month starting next week.

A lot of my Steinberg stuff is still dongled, anyway, and I'm not seeing myself paying to move it over (and they're taking to long to move it over, themselves). So, I've replaced most of it. Backbone is really the only thing I'd miss, at this point, but I think I can do without it...

[EnGee]

Oh I see now! Ok! There are some points to make. The most important ones are the genre and the workflow...

forgot to mention

even can transfer notes between the selected tracks, also very very handy in ...pen-based composing... so if have to create solid textures using 1/16 or smaller notes as on the video ... and doesn't exist in other DAWs (AFAIK) so S1 makes the life much easier in this specific genre

I see. It's a good workflow for pen based composing. I agree that S1 is the easiest top DAW. It has a very good design.

For me, I prefer score editor for a precise editing. I'm still learning at a beginner intermediate level both piano/keyboard playing and Music Theory. The score editor is a perfect fit for that of course. Fortunately, all three have a very good score editing (Cubase, Logic and S1), but with different shortcuts and workflow.

Again, I'm using Logic as my main learning tool. So, it ticks all I want. Midi recording stability, excellent plugins and instruments, great price and updates, etc. Still have Cubase and S1 in Windows but can't decide which one to make my main!

Reaper is the only one that installed in both Windows and Mac OS. I use it mainly as a Helper tool for browsing midi files beside Logic. However, I discovered an excellent use for it! Audio recording from my MODX and DeepMind hardware! It seems excellent for fast recording audio and when I want to prove my rhythm and performance.

Anyway, we are very different in the kind of music we produce also, so that makes no right or wrong way to do it. No perfect DAW for everyone!

[pdxindy]

First of all, I will confess the last version of Logic I bought was 9

That's like 10 years ago! A long time...

[chk071]

And they've only released another major version since that. I really wished other DAW's would move in that pace... what's the point in all that hectic "Buy me! Buy me!" versioning? Only pulls the cash out of your wallet, and brings feature bloat with it.

Well... guess it's the right thing for the zeitgeist.