Hey IK, When You Finally Do MODO Guitar...

[benjamind]

Which is why I wait, albeit hopelessly for IK's solution...that is, if they are working on one at all.

[donkey tugger]

It sounds robotic because it is handled with samples as opposed to actually modelling the nuances of the string.

Physical modeling can remove a lot of that "robotic effect".

I would say that it's much, much more down to the playing rather than the sound source (within reason of course). With my plastic YRG midi guitar I can get fairly (but not wholly..) convincing results, even with limited sample sets, e.g;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_XhfJK ... sp=sharing

Just a simple patch of my 12 string electric (1 per string/midi channel), no scripting or anything. As noisyboy pointed out, the open string issue is a big one, given the limitations of trying to replicate this on a keyboard.

[Tj Shredder]

I guess with a LinnStrument you could get closer, it even has a strumming mode. But honestly why? A keyboard is not a guitar and does not want to be.
If you watched Jordan, he even doesn’t try to play like a guitarist, he is a virtuoso keyboard player and shows of his keyboard skills. The justification for guitar plugins is their sound including some articulations. Thats it!
I just fired up Modo Bass and played around a bit. Its fun, though I do have a real bass, I get very different expressions and can switch to different strings in a snap… If I want the real thing I play it. If I can’t play I’d ask a friend who can…

[benjamind]

Still, putting out a guitar plugin like MODO BASS would be heaven sent for those who prefer to stick to keyboards.

The fact that people are selling sets of samples stitched together to create a convincing guitar part is proof positive that there is a serious need for this in the VI market.

And IK just so happens to be in that absolutely sweet spot to pull it off.

The sad part is that unlike these sample library developers, it feels as though they just don't want to - even if they can and there in the prime position to make just about every sample based guitar VI obsolete in one fell swoop, just like they did with MODO BASS. Honest to God I don't know many people who use a sample library in lieu of MODO BASS because it just sounds so...f**king...real.

[Burillo]

But honestly why?

because not everyone knows how to play guitar, or has guitarist friends, or has funds for a good session player?

[pdxindy]

the problem is that reproducing these nuances correctly is a very difficult task - but this is not due to some ethemeral "magic" or "naturalness" of a "skilled guitarist", this is simply complexity of guitar as an instrument

I said exactly that already... the physical interface of the guitar is so different from a keyboard that the keyboard can never in realtime reproduce a guitar.

[pdxindy]

Yamaha’s do it automatically. Finger squeaks, harmonics, and slides just happen when you play them live. It’s not perfect but it’s a lot better than that Jordan Rudess video. If he were playing a clean guitar patch on a Yamaha into a good amp, it would sound a lot more realistic.

How does it do strumming? The vast majority of guitar playing isn't widdling and metel riffs, it's rhythm.

That's the thing... strum a chord with 3 fingers spread a bit wide... that is impossible to play on a keyboard in realtime. And that is just one simple example.

[noiseboyuk]

With my plastic YRG midi guitar I can get fairly (but not wholly..) convincing results, even with limited sample sets

I’m on the road so can’t listen at the mo, but I like the principle. I use a Variax for everything now, it’s absolutely brilliant. It would be nice if it had midi too.

The knotty problems are 90% interface, 10% sound.

[donkey tugger]

With my plastic YRG midi guitar I can get fairly (but not wholly..) convincing results, even with limited sample sets

I’m on the road so can’t listen at the mo, but I like the principle. I use a Variax for everything now, it’s absolutely brilliant. It would be nice if it had midi too.

The knotty problems are 90% interface, 10% sound.

I've got a Variax too. Great guitar. The Tele's, LP's, Strats, Hollowbodyies etc are spot on. Acoustics I can see would be useful live (though they're too piezo sounding for recording for me). The 12 string electric is a valiant attempt, but not for a jangle snob like me . The banjo and sitar etc are great fun and excellent for winding people up....

Definitely glad I bought it as for electrics it covers about 70% of what I need, and that would be a lot higher if I didn't do so much 12 string stuff.

[vurt]

hippy.

[donkey tugger]

hippy.

Telephone switchboard operator.

[benjamind]

the problem is that reproducing these nuances correctly is a very difficult task - but this is not due to some ethemeral "magic" or "naturalness" of a "skilled guitarist", this is simply complexity of guitar as an instrument

I said exactly that already... the physical interface of the guitar is so different from a keyboard that the keyboard can never in realtime reproduce a guitar.

Well there are plenty of sample lib developers who seem to be able to get something that is "playable" on a keyboard, strumming and chords and nice leads too...but 'tis a shame cuz there canned guitar sounds and as we all know MODO BASS kicks the arse of sampled bass like theres no tomorrow.

[jamcat]

So this is what we know about a potential MODO GUITAR:

1)
MODO BASS was released in late 2016.
3 years later, in late 2019, MODO DRUM was released.
It is now late 2022, 3 years after MODO DRUM was released.

That doesn't mean MODO GUITAR is imminent, but I wouldn't have expected it earlier than now.

2)
IK Multimedia registered the trademark for "MODO GUITARS" at the same time as "MODO BASS" and "MODO DRUMS" in 2016. Those are the only 3 "MODO" names that IK trademarked.

https://www.trademarkelite.com/europe/t ... 0SRL/46709

While that doesn't necessarily mean MODO GUITAR is assured to come out, it does heavily imply that it has been on IK's roadmap for at least 6 years now.

[benjamind]

So this is what we know about a potential MODO GUITAR:

1)
MODO BASS was released in late 2016.
3 years later, in late 2019, MODO DRUM was released.
It is now late 2022, 3 years after MODO DRUM was released.

That doesn't mean MODO GUITAR is imminent, but I wouldn't have expected it earlier than now.

2)
IK Multimedia registered the trademark for "MODO GUITARS" at the same time as "MODO BASS" and "MODO DRUMS" in 2016. Those are the only 3 "MODO" names that IK trademarked.

https://www.trademarkelite.com/europe/t ... 0SRL/46709

While that doesn't necessarily mean MODO GUITAR is assured to come out, it does heavily imply that it has been on IK's roadmap for at least 6 years now.

I believe someone told me this is wishful thinking. And whoever told me this is probably correct. I wish that it was coming out this year, but many have told me that it isn't coming out this year.

Peter from IK also hinted that "things can change along the way" so to speak and he also said patent hunting didn't necessarily amount to anything. Denial that MODO is still in development? Well, revealing stuff that's under wraps is probably a fireable offence for IK, so maybe it's just that. But I have a different feeling this time.

6 years is a damned long time, but my gut is it will take a lot longer than 6 years because maybe there are no plans.

The basses came out 6 years ago, let's admit it, if there have been working on it this long and there has no release, then it boggles my mind that it would suddenly appear out of nowhere, but then again, MODO BASS and DRUM appeared out of nowhere, so what on God's green Earth would I know.

I am hopeful but my gut tells me that it's pointless waiting because it isn't coming, for whatever reason, probably a silly or nonsensical one, but the reason doesn't matter since the end result is the same...no guitars, eh?

[jamcat]

Peter from IK also hinted that "things can change along the way" so to speak and he also said patent hunting didn't necessarily amount to anything. Denial that MODO is still in development? Well, revealing stuff that's under wraps is probably a fireable offence for IK, so maybe it's just that. But I have a different feeling this time.

Of course Peter will try to keep things ambiguous until something is officially announced. But trademark claims are not the same as patents. It's true that a company may sit on a patent indefinitely, but registering a trademark is a pretty clear indication of commercial intent. Because trademarks serve no purpose other than marketing actual commercial products on the market.

Just look at all of the registered trademarks under IK Multimedia Production SRL, and you will notice that there is only ONE that is not currently an actual commercial product that IK has brought to market: MODO GUITARS.

So if Peter is trying to obfuscate that, he's just blowing smoke and buying time.

I believe someone told me this is wishful thinking. And whoever told me this is probably correct. I wish that it was coming out this year, but many have told me that it isn't coming out this year.

No one knows WHEN it's coming out until it's almost ready, including Peter.