I completely suck at producing

[Propellerhands]

Again, you missed the point and continue to purposefully fight against a strawman. But just because you studied an instrument does not make you any more of a musician than a person who did not study an instrument yet manages to make a complete song or a radio hit. It wasn't me who called out bedroom producers on this. You took offense on something that wasn't even aimed at you at all.

P.s. my comment was extrapolation of user crispr comment on 4th page.

[Hink]

Again, you missed the point and continue to purposefully fight against a strawman. But just because you studied an instrument does not make you any more of a musician than a person who did not study an instrument yet manages to make a complete song or a radio hit. It wasn't me who called out bedroom producers on this. You took offense on something that wasn't even aimed at you at all.

P.s. my comment was extrapolation of user crispr comment on 4th page.

I didnt take offense...I said its offensive to you to suggest such thing You cant offend me

Strawman my ass you are the one who said "That's what people sitting on the "learn an instrument!" high horse do not understand."

I understand quite well, it is you who has no clue what it is to be a musician, I have nothing to defend...being a musician since the 5th grade (I started on a trumpet), having a passion for the guitar for 51 years now has been the greatest gift in my life, a fact your twisted logic wont understand.

See yah

[jamcat]

I love Simon and Garlix.
Sounds of Presets is my favourite.

[ATS]

I started with Acid like a LONG time ago. You pretty much use loops to create music. It is still available. I learned a ton using that about the things you want to learn.

link: https://www.magix.com/us/music-editing/acid/acid-pro/

there is a much cheaper version as well.

https://www.magix.com/us/music-editing/ ... ic-studio/

[Hink]

I started with Acid like a LONG time ago. You pretty much use loops to create music. It is still available. I learned a ton using that about the things you want to learn.

when that came out I was working in a large music store in Natick Mass, we had a very large education dept and many teachers as well as a huge retail outlet. Fathers would come in and just wander around to kill time while their child gets a lesson. We had everything on display and 10-12 computers with software on workstations...I would show them Acid (mind you at that time I never owned a computer, I had an Akai DPS12), how easy it was to get on with, show them directories, tell em it's ok to save and then they had something to do while they waited. Pretty quickly one hour a week wasnt enough and I made a sale, I sold at least a dozen copies that way.

I got along ok with Avid and honestly I really liked it, I found it inspirational. The only time I brought a guitar to work was when I did hardware HD recorder clinics (I made a lot of money with those too). I worked 14 hour days there so if I needed a music fix, I would mess with Acid, not having my guitar in my hands meant my approach was far different and I didnt fall into the same patterns expanding my musical conscience. I would take that home with me so to speak, it was very beneficial.

[BertKoor]

A musician produces makes music. Period.
If you need to learn something to do that, then so be it.
No one ever said it's easy or requires no talent.

[Propellerhands]

A musician produces makes music. Period.
If you need to learn something to do that, then so be it.
No one ever said it's easy or requires no talent.

Could you be more specific, makes music, like plays music or writes it from start to finish and makes an actual track? I personally never called myself a musician, neither among my family nor my fans, despite it being my main passion for many many years.

Anyway, I seem offended at least one person here who just plays an instrument for many years and consider himself more of a musician than those who do not play an instrument. It is like nowadays forbidden to have difference of opinion an everyone so triggered by everything. I never looked down on people who play instruments and do it well. In fact I consider them true musicians but only if they release their music or play in front of an audience (like opera for example). Otherwise, they just know how to use an instrument and that's great, but they, in my eyes, certainly ain't better than a kid who creates/makes music in his bedroom and uploads it on youtube or beatport or bandcamp. Yet such instrument players always riding the high-horse just because they operate one single thing.

So apologies to user Hink. It is all just playful debate/rant and exchange of opinions.

[donkey tugger]

A musician produces makes music. Period.
If you need to learn something to do that, then so be it.
No one ever said it's easy or requires no talent.

Could you be more specific, makes music, like plays music or writes it from start to finish and makes an actual track?

Either, or both.

https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8

Dictionary definitions cover each. Nothing in any of them though about having to have an audience to be a 'true' musician. Think you might have made that one up.

[Propellerhands]

A musician produces makes music. Period.
If you need to learn something to do that, then so be it.
No one ever said it's easy or requires no talent.

Could you be more specific, makes music, like plays music or writes it from start to finish and makes an actual track?

Either, or both.

https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8

Dictionary definitions cover each. Nothing in any of them though about having to have an audience to be a 'true' musician. Think you might have made that one up.

that's why I do not use a dictionary definition, but explicitly told that I only offer my own opinion. Everyone is free to disagree and have different opinions on such broad topics.

P.S. ah you did not even made an original comment but hijacked it from other person. So I will wait for him to explain himself instead.

[donkey tugger]

A musician produces makes music. Period.
If you need to learn something to do that, then so be it.
No one ever said it's easy or requires no talent.

Could you be more specific, makes music, like plays music or writes it from start to finish and makes an actual track?

Either, or both.

https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8

Dictionary definitions cover each. Nothing in any of them though about having to have an audience to be a 'true' musician. Think you might have made that one up.

that's why I do not use a dictionary definition, but explicitly told that I only offer my own opinion. Everyone is free to disagree and have different opinions on such broad topics.

Ah, ok, you've made it up - some kind of Copenhagen interpretation?; Schrodinger's musician if you like.

I'm sure you'll be able to outline the logical reasoning (i.e. not just 'because it's my opinion'...) behind your deviation from the accepted definition?

PS - I've, errr, did even make an original comment now.

[BertKoor]

I'm good with dictionary definitions.
Using your own muddies the water and makes communication troublesome.

How would you feel if I wrote everything to you in Dutch?
Not the same thing, but it doesn't make communication easier, capice?

[Azbest]

I completely suck at producing

Don't we all...

[Hink]

I know who and what I am like many of us, he can call me anything he likes...it aint gonna change the fact that when I die I will be remembered by those who matter to me as someone who had a strong passion for making music and growing as a musician. I suspect he misses the passion part, doesnt get it.

Propellerhands, if I were to sit in a one room cabin on top of a mountain in the middle of the desert hundreds of miles away from everyone (or if I sit in my studio) and I start playing a harmonica...guess what, I just made music from nothing but an instrument, the key point is I still made music hence I am a musician.

I have never and will never judge you on how you define yourself (or others), what makes you think you have the right to judge others. Live and let live, meanwhile here is an older song of mine.

https://soundcloud.com/hink/azimuth

[jamcat]

So it is your contention, Propellerhands, that a musician exists in an ambiguous state of quantum superposition until they are observed?

Interesting!

[donkey tugger]

Plays the Higgs Bassoon?

I'll get me particle accelerator...