Non-emulation VA synth recommendations.

[zerocrossing]

"When sync is enabled, DUNE 3 automatically generates
a virtual master oscillator needed to perform the synchronisation. The frequency of this oscillator is adjusted by the frequency knob (FREQ), relative to the given pitch. The sync frequency can be modulated using the modulation matrix".

No , because the (virtual) MASTER SYNC oscillator can NOT be chosen as a modsource to modulate the frequency of the sync slave osc .
First version of dune was able to do it , dune 2 and 3 are not .

I see what you’re saying now, I thought you were saying that both oscillator and sync frequency could not be modulated. I’m not really sure what you’re going on about, though. Prophet 5? You’ve got to lose an oscillator just to get a second LFO. Dune’s got 3 oscillators (not including potential sync oscillators) available as sources in the mod matrix. Two of those oscillators can have a basic FM mode. Let me check my notes… oh yeah, that’s a lot more flexible than a Prophet 5.

So now you' re summing up what's missing in the prophet 5 etc ..
I just gave an example about a certain routing but some are just to slow to comprehend basic stuff

All right, you got me. One one weird edge case, I couldn’t use the exact same oscillator to modulate the sync oscillator at the same time. I’d instead have to use a different oscillator with the same settings. I’m sure that would be a lot different.

[ElVincente]

No , because the (virtual) MASTER SYNC oscillator can NOT be chosen as a modsource to modulate the frequency of the sync slave osc .
First version of dune was able to do it , dune 2 and 3 are not .

What Mod Source would that be?

Here's DUNE 1's sources:


Dune 1-1.png


DUNE 3's sources:


Dune 3.png

So dune handle poly after touch now ?
Feeling GAS....

Edit : mmm the manual still says it's not supported
I guess I have to try again the demo to be sure...

[_morton_]

Manuals are rarely up to date, in my experience

[chk071]

Changelogs are though: https://www.synapse-audio.com/news-dune35update.html

• VST3 version for Apple M1 machines added.

• Improved look and feel of the MSEGs.

• Maximum polyphony increased from 16 to 24.

• Genetics function to create new patches from existing ones.

• Support for polyphonic aftertouch via the mod matrix.

• New compressor mode, "Punch".

• New patches added to the factory library.

• Better memory usage. Each new plug-in instance consumes

• significantly less memory than v3.4.

[rezoneight]

And shocking that Synapse able to support Apple Silicon in such a timely fashion. Wonder how they found the time to not only support Apple Silicon but get a VST3 version running at that, way back in November along with some updates like a new compressor mode and poly AT. All the while using less memory. Shocking. Truly shocking. Curious if the Windows cadre here were complaining in Nov about Synapse supporting Apple Silicon...

[ElVincente]

Changelogs are though: https://www.synapse-audio.com/news-dune35update.html

• VST3 version for Apple M1 machines added.

• Improved look and feel of the MSEGs.

• Maximum polyphony increased from 16 to 24.

• Genetics function to create new patches from existing ones.

• Support for polyphonic aftertouch via the mod matrix.

• New compressor mode, "Punch".

• New patches added to the factory library.

• Better memory usage. Each new plug-in instance consumes

• significantly less memory than v3.4.

thanks, I missed that one!

[anttimaatteri]

Well the OP (long gone) was asking specifically about VA synth recommendations. Then the KVR floodgates opened with everybody's favorite synth, LOL.

yes .
but i guess the op meant digitally copies of existing hardware-synths of the VA kind to be excluded, and strictly VA-like code of its own.
which raises the question, if there even exists a single plugin code to go the VA way wihtout having any parts tryin to emulate existing stuff down to the emulation of CHIPS?. stuff like THIS


https://dsp56300.wordpress.com

i mean...we all LEARN from others by copying, right? no shame in doin that.

[_morton_]

https://www.superwavesynths.com/all-synthesizers

[digitalboytn]

Bazille (mentioned above)
Charlatan
The blooo
Kern

The Blooo is my favourite FBM synth and now with the resizable GUI,it is bluer than ever...

It has a classic architecture,a lot of modulation options and absolutely no effects,but it doesn't sound like a dry pretzel...

It sounds great in the mix and it blends and layers well with other sounds...

I used Charlatan a lot back in the day and that's a real gem,but it could benefit from a few tweaks and a coat of paint in 2022...

Maybe it could be blue ?

[Teksonik]

Post the clip or a screenshot of your routing .
Spoiler : you can’t because it’s impossible in dune 3 and that is my point.
It’s a great sounding synth but it doesn’t allow certain routings .
Over and out .

My point is that it doesn't matter. You're complaining that your Ferrari doesn't have an ashtray.

The more important point is that no synth is perfect including Tal Mod. For example it's so simple I'd be bored with it in half an hour and so on.

We should learn to love a synth for what it does instead of spending time complaining about what it doesn't do.

I've had several feature requests shot down over the years that would have expanded the range of sounds DUNE 3 could make a great deal but the developer doesn't see those features as being part of his vision for the synth and that's fine.

So I just enjoy DUNE 3 every day for what it is instead of worrying about what it isn't. That goes for every synth in my folder. There isn't one of them that I wouldn't add some feature to if I had a magic wand but we get what we get. Just learn to accept it....

Over and out.

Oh and Richard just posted at the Synapse forums in response to a user feature request:

In the next maintenance update, we will add the ability to shift the arp pattern left or right using the arrow keys Parameter lock is generally something we have on the todo list for DUNE 3, but it won't make it into this update just yet.

So DUNE 3 isn't a finished product and they do listen to user input so no telling what the future holds. If that issue is so important to you then bring it up at the Synapse forums and discuss it with Rich.

[Teksonik]

So dune handle poly after touch now ?
Feeling GAS....

Edit : mmm the manual still says it's not supported
I guess I have to try again the demo to be sure...

I no longer have a Poly AT keyboard but yes it is a Mod Source. Sometimes the manual doesn't get updated fully (I just checked and it hasn't been updated) so yes try the demo just to be sure but I imagine that if it didn't work they would have heard about it from someone by now.

[gentleclockdivider]

Post the clip or a screenshot of your routing .
Spoiler : you can’t because it’s impossible in dune 3 and that is my point.
It’s a great sounding synth but it doesn’t allow certain routings .
Over and out .

My point is that it doesn't matter. You're complaining that your Ferrari doesn't have an ashtray.

The more important point is that no synth is perfect including Tal Mod. For example it's so simple I'd be bored with it in half an hour and so on.

We should learn to love a synth for what it does instead of spending time complaining about what it doesn't do.

Oh for real cmon dude , now you're complaing that talmod is simple , same defense as zerocrossing I think you're overestimating yourself .
Talmod does things that Dune 3 can't and vice versa .
Talmod can do windowed sync because it has a flexible architecture and a real master sync Osc , so that's not to bad for a simple synth , again something dune 3 can't do because of it's osc sync implementation .
I also never complained about Dune 3 , just showcased what I think is missing for a true VA .

But rest assured , I am not going to explain to you what windowed sync is ,don't feel like repeating it at nauseum .
If you're interested
viewtopic.php?t=552822
Give it a rest

[Halonmusic]

Bazille (mentioned above)
Charlatan
The blooo
Kern

The Blooo is my favourite FBM synth and now with the resizable GUI,it is bluer than ever...

It has a classic architecture,a lot of modulation options and absolutely no effects,but it doesn't sound like a dry pretzel...

It sounds great in the mix and it blends and layers well with other sounds...

I used Charlatan a lot back in the day and that's a real gem,but it could benefit from a few tweaks and a coat of paint in 2022...

Maybe it could be blue ?

oh yea blooo is amazing i too hope for charlatan to be upgraded at some points. blue colour would be great!

[BONES]

And shocking that Synapse able to support Apple Silicon in such a timely fashion.

It took them more than a year after the release of the first M1 powered computers, so hardly "timely". IIRC, it was the last of their synths to get it, each of them adding it as part of a broader update. So it is most likely just fortuitous timing, something they were able to do because they were working on the code anyway. But who knows what features were shelved for a later update (or abandoned altogether) because of the effort required to add Apple Silicon support?

[revvy]

But who knows what features were shelved for a later update (or abandoned altogether) because of the effort required to add Apple Silicon support?

Do you?