Relab LX480L essential - my latest reverb addiction

[meloco_go]

Perhaps you should not trust your computer set-up as well...

There's no such things as absolute trust. This is why we do backups etc.
But the thing was crashing every time I tried to use it.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Can you wrestle a crash log out of Reaper/Windows? If so, I'd suggest sending it to the devs. Justin and Schwa are good about addressing crashes and if they think it's a case of, "not us, it's happening on the Relab side," they may even be able to provide a clue as to why for the Relab devs to look into. I did see the thread on the Reaper forum, so it does impact a number of users. I just never happened to run into it.

Do the old right-click Start button, select "Event Viewer", then try to find the Reaper crash. There's a way to export the logs to a file.

And of course, reach out to Relab too. They may say "Reaper isn't officially supported" but that doesn't mean it's ok that it crashes Reaper and that the fix may not be on their side. They should support Reaper, it's probably more popular than some DAWs they do support. They're just a bit slow on the dev side.

[pitchbender007]

I like the sound of LX480 Essential, although 1 gripe that I have about it is that the plugin GUI is very long and not resizable. It doesn't fit the screen of my small laptop whenever I'm on the go.

[martinjuenke]

So much nonsense posted with such a confidence...

Admittedly it's from a private conversation that was had with Sigi many years ago. Take from it what you will.

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1276

Where did they say that? Source?

Is Quantec using special math? Now granted, they may have coded on specialized DSP's, which means porting to an x86 type of architecture may be difficult, but it's all just software.

See above.

Very, very thin and unconvincing source tbh...

[v1o]

So much nonsense posted with such a confidence...

Admittedly it's from a private conversation that was had with Sigi many years ago. Take from it what you will.

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1276

Where did they say that? Source?

Is Quantec using special math? Now granted, they may have coded on specialized DSP's, which means porting to an x86 type of architecture may be difficult, but it's all just software.

See above.

Very, very thin and unconvincing source tbh...

Take it as you will. If you do a search there are many discussions on the topic going back several years.

And in fact there is a new Quantec reverb plugin on the market in 2022 called Quantum Evolution. This is the very first Quantec plugin after decades of people demanding for one. This developer had to make several optimisations just to get the algorithm to run on modern CPUs (including cutting some corners with the accuracy). A few CPU generations ago it might have even been impractical to run this algorithm. If you read through the entire thread the developer explains how the plugin was made, this gives confidence in claims the Quantec people were making several years ago, when they said desktop CPUs could not run their code as it is massively parallel.

https://gearspace.com/board/new-product ... -labs.html

[jamcat]

That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. QRS reverbs came out in 1982, and used a Motorola 68008 processor, which ran at 8Mhz. This is the same processor found in a Sega Genesis, Atari ST, Amiga, Tandy Model 16, or early Mac. Modern CPUs even 20 years ago were considerably more powerful and capable.

[chk071]

Don't forget that a CPU in computers has to do a lot more than just calculating the DSP, unlike the processors in hardware.

[jupiter8]

Nevermind

[kmonkey]

That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. QRS reverbs came out in 1982, and used a Motorola 68008 processor, which ran at 8Mhz. This is the same processor found in a Sega Genesis, Atari ST, Amiga, Tandy Model 16, or early Mac. Modern CPUs even 20 years ago were considerably more powerful and capable.

You are right it is a bunch of nonsense made by the developer of supposedly best QRS emulation.

Initially QRS emulation developer claimed absolute phase cancel (null) of his plugin vs hardware and then a few people on Gearspace called him on that and said they can not achieve not only phase canceling but not even remotely same sound as with their hardware no matter how hard they tried to do.

They posted exact presets where the sound didn't match. Apparently plugin has same preset names or similar.

And you know how that ended? At first developer tried to convince people which compared his plugin to a real hardware unit - that they need to tweak plugin a bit, change this or that. But nothing worked. Then the developer changed his claims on his website, removed the part on absolute null - and other people without hardware attacked people with hardware with standard nonsense such as: it sounds good to me, I don't care if it does not sound exactly like the hardware.

The world today is the Monthy Python of the last century. Literally.

[Tj Shredder]

I always thought the claim of Quantec that its impossible to emulate their hardware is bullshit. But the reverb sounds fantastic nonetheless. Also the Quantum Evolution, which is my latest addiction…

[jamcat]

Bottom line is, if the Sega Genesis can be emulated (spoiler: there are several emus) then certainly the QRS can be emulated.

[Fornicras]

Can you get 4 or more seconds for decay on this plugin?
I always use VintageVerb for everything for years, it got boring now and I want to replace it but nothing sounds better than it for me, especially for vocals.

[vitocorleone123]

Can you get 4 or more seconds for decay on this plugin?
I always use VintageVerb for everything for years, it got boring now and I want to replace it but nothing sounds better than it for me, especially for vocals.

I dislike VVV. TaiChi or CRP any day of the week, instead. Delay time depends on the mode, but you can get fairly long decay times.

I have Essentials but I compared it to the full version (demo), loved the sound of the full version, hated the tiny hard to use UI of the full version and disappointed in Essentials afterward. Both are now deleted. I think R4 is better overall (but also deleted from my computer for reasons).

[savantaudio]

That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. QRS reverbs came out in 1982, and used a Motorola 68008 processor, which ran at 8Mhz. This is the same processor found in a Sega Genesis, Atari ST, Amiga, Tandy Model 16, or early Mac. Modern CPUs even 20 years ago were considerably more powerful and capable.

You are right it is a bunch of nonsense made by the developer of supposedly best QRS emulation.

Initially QRS emulation developer claimed absolute phase cancel (null) of his plugin vs hardware and then a few people on Gearspace called him on that and said they can not achieve not only phase canceling but not even remotely same sound as with their hardware no matter how hard they tried to do.

They posted exact presets where the sound didn't match. Apparently plugin has same preset names or similar.

And you know how that ended? At first developer tried to convince people which compared his plugin to a real hardware unit - that they need to tweak plugin a bit, change this or that. But nothing worked. Then the developer changed his claims on his website, removed the part on absolute null - and other people without hardware attacked people with hardware with standard nonsense such as: it sounds good to me, I don't care if it does not sound exactly like the hardware.

The world today is the Monthy Python of the last century. Literally.

We stand by our original claim that the Quantum 2772 Evolution will null (to -75-80dB) with the core algorithm of the 90s hardware that inspired it. Our comments were taken out of context by some, so clarification was provided on our website.
The plugin has redesigned the hi-cut EQ filters to be more like the original 80s hardware, so any null tests performed using presets that require those filters will not null as deeply with the 90s hardware, which we explained in detail on our website.
The hardware has gone through many iterations over the years, and the main thing that changes from generation to generation is the filters, which are not considered part of the core algorithm.
We still welcome any null tests with the original hardware. Of course, they must be set up with very precise sample/latency offset matching. And we are happy to talk in more detail about the differences in filter design, and why we made the choices we did.

[jamcat]

The plugin has redesigned the hi-cut EQ filters to be more like the original 80s hardware, so any null tests performed using presets that require those filters will not null as deeply with the 90s hardware, which we explained in detail on our website.
The hardware has gone through many iterations over the years, and the main thing that changes from generation to generation is the filters, which are not considered part of the core algorithm.

Why not give users a selection of filters/revisions to choose from in the plugin?