NI Komplete 14

[LFO8]

I'm so glad I'm not knee deep in the NI ecosystem. Only Traktor and Guitar Rig.

[pdxindy]

But, not every company has a codebase built around a third-party engine so it's much more dev intensive work for them to rewrite their stuff to work on other platforms or potentially rewrite their code to start using a third-party engine that does offer all that built in support for things like 4K resizable UI, VST3, M1 native etc.

U-he doesn't use JUCE and they've had resizable GUI's and VST3 for quite a while now. M1 Native also for most of their stuff. They also support MPE, work with MTS-EPS for microtuning and have great browsers.

And u-he just released their first official CLAP plugin (MFM 2.5) with more to follow.

[WatchTheGuitar]

So are you telling us that hardware/computer manufacturers should stay stagnant in their hardware developments until software is ready?!

Or you know, make things more backwards compatible so you don't break loads of software and indirectly force companies into trying to play kiss chase with their whims.

it's absolutely amazing that anyone would want total monopoly by one company, but here we are. Authoritarianism is easier isn't it? no competition, things get done.

Apple is all about monopoly position and authoritarianism, they just sell it with stylish marketing.

Wasn't my intention to divert the thread into yet another PC/Mac debate, but actually it's been more interesting than what's in Komplete 14 so thanks for the diversions.

[gnu23]

Not sure I've ever been so underwhelmed. The new industry grouping of Plugin Alliance, Izotope and Native Instruments is ... is ... I can't find the right adjective.

Having been through this in a different tech industry segment, my experience-based answer:

is...the result of market contraction and venture capital infusion into the likely winners of the post-contraction consolidation.

I'm not saying I have it entirely right in this case, but I'm certain I'm a long way from entirely wrong.

[pdxindy]

And I’m not in any way a NI fanboy, I see most of Komplete as bloatware now, but to tell me the dearth of new things is nothing to do with M1 issues doesn’t hold water to me. There’s a limited pot of dev resources, if they spend time working on M1, they aren’t adding 4K fluid resize to Kontakt.

If lots of companies were struggling to release Apple Silicon native software, you might have a point. Apple's changes just highlight which companies have their sh!t together and which don't.

[pdxindy]

Apple is all about monopoly position

Apples global marketshare for laptops is under 10% - all computers, 7%
Apples global marketshare for smartphones is about 18%
Apples iPads have a global market share of 34%
Smartwatches is about 32%

Of course the only one relevant to this discussion is computers, so are you suggesting that under 10% market share is a monopoly?

[WatchTheGuitar]

Apple is all about monopoly position

Apples global marketshare for laptops is under 10% - all computers, 7%
Apples global marketshare for smartphones is about 18%
Apples iPads have a global market share of 34%
Smartwatches is about 32%

Of course the only one relevant to this discussion is computers, so are you suggesting that under 10% market share is a monopoly?

PCs are all about choice of the internal hardware from multiple vendors, Apple isn’t.

[jamcat]

Apple is hardware company. They make computers.
Others, like Intel, AMD, or Nvidia manufacture components.

When you buy a car, you also don't get a choice over the internal components.
Unless you build your own car.

[jamcat]

But, not every company has a codebase built around a third-party engine so it's much more dev intensive work for them to rewrite their stuff to work on other platforms or potentially rewrite their code to start using a third-party engine that does offer all that built in support for things like 4K resizable UI, VST3, M1 native etc.

U-he doesn't use JUCE and they've had resizable GUI's and VST3 for quite a while now. M1 Native also for most of their stuff. They also support MPE, work with MTS-EPS for microtuning and have great browsers.

And u-he just released their first official CLAP plugin (MFM 2.5) with more to follow.

And u-he has been around for 20 years and only has about 5 plugins. That's not a whole lot to manage.

[SLiC]

But, not every company has a codebase built around a third-party engine so it's much more dev intensive work for them to rewrite their stuff to work on other platforms or potentially rewrite their code to start using a third-party engine that does offer all that built in support for things like 4K resizable UI, VST3, M1 native etc.

U-he doesn't use JUCE and they've had resizable GUI's and VST3 for quite a while now. M1 Native also for most of their stuff. They also support MPE, work with MTS-EPS for microtuning and have great browsers.

And u-he just released their first official CLAP plugin (MFM 2.5) with more to follow.

And u-he has been around for 20 years and only has about 5 plugins. That's not a whole lot to manage.

A few more than 5 …l

[martinjuenke]

But, not every company has a codebase built around a third-party engine so it's much more dev intensive work for them to rewrite their stuff to work on other platforms or potentially rewrite their code to start using a third-party engine that does offer all that built in support for things like 4K resizable UI, VST3, M1 native etc.

U-he doesn't use JUCE and they've had resizable GUI's and VST3 for quite a while now. M1 Native also for most of their stuff. They also support MPE, work with MTS-EPS for microtuning and have great browsers.

And u-he just released their first official CLAP plugin (MFM 2.5) with more to follow.

And u-he has been around for 20 years and only has about 5 plugins. That's not a whole lot to manage.

Well, I can count 21 plugins and numerous soundpacks and hardware (just to be fair).

[noiseboyuk]

Here’s what NI support told me just now:

Komplete 14 was announced today however, this will not be released until September 27th, 2022. Upon release, users that purchased a Komplete 13 Upgrade/Update after August 1st will be eligible to receive a discount voucher (if you provide your purchase invoice to verify). If purchased in July, the new owner may not be eligible for the discount but of course they can always purchase the Komplete 14 Ultimate Collector's Edition Update for $499USD

Pretty major unannounced policy change.

Ah well, I gambled and I lost. I never was very good at gambling… PM me if anyone in the UK can use a sealed and boxed K13CE upgrade from K12CE

[chk071]

Told ya to be careful...

Not trying to be smartass (or add insult to injury), but, as you say, it's a real gamble.

[noiseboyuk]

A fair cop. At least a decade of the same company policy, but there it goes.

If I’m lucky the retailer will take it back (they can re-sell it so it qualifies for the 50% discount) otherwise I just lose a little on selling it boxed and sealed to a third party. The absolute worst case is that I spent £140 on a 1TB portable drive. If that’s the worst problem in my life, I’m not doing so bad really.

[machinesworking]

Apple is all about monopoly position and authoritarianism, they just sell it with stylish marketing.

Sure, that makes as much sense as anything else you're pushing.
A company can dictate what it sells, and the software it runs. That's not authoritarianism, that's capitalism. What is not capitalism is wishing to force a company to not be able to do those things, to wish they didn't exist so your company of choice could be the sole provider, that, is authoritarianism and wishing for monopoly status, it's not coming from Microsoft or Apple, but you, the end user.

It's this same logic that drives people to call Twitter a monopoly etc. for banning people from it's platform. It's a free market company, it can do business the way it wants to, and the same people angry about it talk all the time about government oversight.

Again, what logic do you have that says Apple cannot make its own chips and tweak their code for performance on those chips? Because that's 100% what you're complaining about, and it's vastly anti free market, there's no way around that.