Which plugins are hyped too much in your opinion?

[Tendou]

not a plugin but to me Ableton Live. Yes Im still using it but only bc I dont have time to learn a new DAW inside out like I know Ableton but in recent years I realized its instable, not innovative, not CPU effecient, boring looking and falling behind to other DAWs in features and workflow enhancements. At least thats my opinion.

[darkinners]

- Valhalla reverbs. They sound good. Very good. At first try I found them jawdropping. But the fact is that on good monitors, they fall short against higher-priced reverbs. My opinion is that they are the best possible quality budget reverbs, but they’ll never be the best reverbs on the market. And when reading KVR, that’s what you’re lead to believe sometimes. Sorry, but I don’t think so.

I am interested to know what higher-priced reverbs you compared Valhalla to and Valhalla fell short.
I have pretty good monitors (Genelec 8351B + 7360A sub and Amphion One18) and Valhalla reverbs sound quality is on par with my other higher-priced reverb plugins, they all sound different but to me, Valhalla definitely not lower quality.

Granted, I use mostly Seventh Heaven Pro and the good old Lexicon PCM Native the most if I want authentic space emulation.

[DJErmac]

- Valhalla reverbs. They sound good. Very good. At first try I found them jawdropping. But the fact is that on good monitors, they fall short against higher-priced reverbs. My opinion is that they are the best possible quality budget reverbs, but they’ll never be the best reverbs on the market. And when reading KVR, that’s what you’re lead to believe sometimes. Sorry, but I don’t think so.

I am interested to know what higher-priced reverbs you compared Valhalla to and Valhalla fell short.
I have pretty good monitors (Genelec 8351B + 7360A sub and Amphion One18) and Valhalla reverbs sound quality is on par with my other higher-priced reverb plugins, they all sound different but to me, Valhalla definitely not lower quality.

Granted, I use mostly Seventh Heaven Pro and the good old Lexicon PCM Native the most if I want authentic space emulation.

Well, nearly every single one I’ve tried that’s priced higher actually. To my ears they can’t compete with B2, Aether, Relab reverbs, Tai Chi... There is a complexity in sound evolution that’s not present in Valhalla stuff imho. Simply compare them to VSR-S24 by Relab and you should be able to tear them apart : the early reflections can’t compare, and the sound isn’t as static, it’s alive. I’ll never say they sound bad, but they’re not the best on the market to me. People generally say here that’s not necessary to buy anything else as you’re covered with them, and that’s where I disagree : that’s the exact definition of overhyped. I simply don’t agree.

[Lazarus451]

Fabfilter - more like a crapfilter
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[darkinners]

Well, nearly every single one I’ve tried that’s priced higher actually. To my ears they can’t compete with B2, Aether, Relab reverbs, Tai Chi... There is a complexity in sound evolution that’s not present in Valhalla stuff imho. Simply compare them to VSR-S24 by Relab and you should be able to tear them apart : the early reflections can’t compare, and the sound isn’t as static, it’s alive. I’ll never say they sound bad, but they’re not the best on the market to me. People generally say here that’s not necessary to buy anything else as you’re covered with them, and that’s where I disagree : that’s the exact definition of overhyped. I simply don’t agree.

I don't have B2 and Aether but I do have Relab LX480 and Tai Chi.
I personally prefer HD cart over LX480 but Relab does also sound amazing.
Tai Chi is probably my least fav reverb plugin from Reverb Foundry/Liquid Sonic, feature-wise it's very cool and able to create some cool experimental reverb sound but overall it sounds a bit thin and the tail of the reverb is always too bright and fades abruptly to me, I like how they do the reflection complexity just right before the tail fades, they probably need to update their algorithm.

The people who claim "you get Valhalla reverbs and you are covered" I guess it has some merit to it, they are probably not THE BEST reverb plugin out there but they are also $50 each. you can get all of their reverb plugins and still cheaper than the other alternatives and you got yourself covered in basically all types of commonly used reverb spaces, plus they are algo based reverbs which means light on CPU, IR based will always sound more authentic but at the cost of higher CPU hit and less flexible/versatile.

[jamcat]

The people who claim "you get Valhalla reverbs and you are covered" I guess it has some merit to it, they are probably not THE BEST reverb plugin out there but they are also $50 each.

That's really what it's all about. They're the same people who use sE Electronics mics and swear it's just like using a Neumann.

[DJErmac]

We’re not talking good or bad stuff here.
Only people who generally say "this" plugin is the best in the world, and you don’t think so. "Over hyped"...

[melomood]

Ok

So maybe this plug in isn't the most amazing plug in ever made

[ramseysounds]

We’re not talking good or bad stuff here.
Only people who generally say "this" plugin is the best in the world, and you don’t think so. "Over hyped"...

That doesn’t prove over-hyped; it proves everyone has favourites and everything is subjective.
I really don’t understand why such negative threads are started. Along with list your favourite xyx, this brings nothing new or any knowledge. It’s all just peoples opinions and everyone’s is different. I long for the days when you actually learn something from this forum, rather than just read people spouting shite.

[DJErmac]

We’re not talking good or bad stuff here.
Only people who generally say "this" plugin is the best in the world, and you don’t think so. "Over hyped"...

That doesn’t prove over-hyped; it proves everyone has favourites and everything is subjective.
I really don’t understand why such negative threads are started. Along with list your favourite xyx, this brings nothing new or any knowledge. It’s all just peoples opinions and everyone’s is different. I long for the days when you actually learn something from this forum, rather than just read people spouting shite.

I’ve nothing against this kind of discussions as long as people can handle different opinions.
And, the purpose, I think, is to learn that some people have a very different opinion than yours.
It can make you rethink your own choices, learn that what you’ve always believed is not necessarily true, comfort you with your choices... Or you can of course go @peshit and say everybody is wrong except you, that happens sometimes.
People who can’t handle different tastes simply should avoid this kind of topics, and no problems are left. Two people said here that two of my favourite plugins are overrated : I can live with it for sure.

[ramseysounds]

You don't learn anything from these kind of topics, other than what other peoples opinion is. How is that educational?

[chk071]

You don't learn anything from these kind of topics, other than what other peoples opinion is.

... or how defensive certain people get when you "insult" their plugins.

[DJErmac]

You don't learn anything from these kind of topics, other than what other peoples opinion is. How is that educational?

I love to hear what other people think.
That’s how you discover new horizons.
Well, let’s say I’m convinced that my compressor is perfect, and 10 people say that it’s s#it and that "this" one is much better. Then I may be totally wrong, I may have misjudged something somewhere. I need to compare this stuff again.
Other people’s opinion ALWAYS is educational.
Even if you’re saying horses#it in the beginning, this can end in you learning new things in the end. Why not trying ? Forums are made for talking, not simply for promoting a product or for people trying to teach until we find who is right, that’s not a game.
I see no real problem here.

[jamcat]

It can make you rethink your own choices, learn that what you’ve always believed is not necessarily true, comfort you with your choices...

All of this applies only if social conformity plays a central role in your choices. If you chose a plugin because the crowd said it was highly rated, then you rethought your choice when the crowd said it was over-rated, then you've never really made "your own" choice at all, and you've only ever just followed the crowd.

[DJErmac]

It can make you rethink your own choices, learn that what you’ve always believed is not necessarily true, comfort you with your choices...

All of this applies only if conformity plays a central role in your choices. If you chose a plugin because the crowd said it was highly rated, then you rethought your choice when the crowd said it was over-rated, then you've never really made "your own" choice at all, and you've only ever just followed the crowd.

Philosophy talk here.
Well, actually, I think this kind of talking is mostly useful for noobs, who could learn things when they thought they already knew.
And every musician/technician knows he’ll always have to learn anyway. We all make mistakes without realizing it. If we didn’t, we would never improve. Don’t you ever improve yourself ?
Yes, we always benefit from reading what always people think.