traditional music theory is based on music whose complexity mostly comes from harmonic progression. modern electronic genres are often more about what i propose to call timbral complexity (let me know if there's another more established term i'm missing). if we try to describe them using the vocabulary of traditional music theory it's difficult to say much about them, but that doesn't mean that there's no complexity at all.IV! wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:35 pm I think he was talking about the melodic/harmonic simplicity inherent in most of the genre, despite the brilliant borrowings of some outstanding tracks. In any genre there is a place for composing, not in all genres this place is occupied by someone... Also, "work of putting the cliche elements of the genre together" in my opinion refers more to the arrangement, composing is rather the creation of something new, including genres and cliches)
Edit 1. I would even like to be wrong and be overpersuaded. Again, speaking about the whole genre, and not about individual outstanding compositions.
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I've got a friend who loves rock music. He absolutely hates electronic music. he says that it's not handmade, not real music. Like pushing the demo button on a keyboard.Taron wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:13 pm It's such a fun topic to ponder over, the fundamental differences between or characteristics of genres. I can easily spend some wonderfully relaxing moments just thinking about it. But why not share those thoughts, too.
I always through that "Trance" was the most adequate name for all heavily repetitive types of genres. It's the idea of creating a very specific sensation, a focused feeling and gradually stimulating it to navigate almost physically, bodily rather than intellectually, so that the opposite might happen, such as one would try to seize "thinking" in order to meditate.
But you can find this concept in probably the most ancient forms of music and it's almost funny that it had such a massive comeback into modern technology. Makes fantastic sense, too.
Thing is, the challenge really is a different one. And the danger is the temptation it has created, suggesting to great many people that they could "easily do it, too", but there's a real art to it and it requires also a great sensibility to do it "right".
With complex, deliberate harmonic progressions comes a challenge that many people recognize as difficult and not so easy to replicate. However, to do this right, you best have a bit more to say, because you're offering a story or more complex thought.
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Thanks Alex -- although most of the time I feel like I'm "de-composing".....ELEX wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:24 pm Composition: that which is composed
To compose: the putting together of elements.
Easy.
ontrackp composes,
Peter H composes, even if it's cliches ( his words
Doesn't matter...
we all compose.
Unless we'd order generative to size,
then we'd break the rules.
Okay, "rather than intellectual" ... nice. Good argumentation.Taron wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:13 pm I always through that "Trance" was the most adequate name for all heavily repetitive types of genres. It's the idea of creating a very specific sensation, a focused feeling and gradually stimulating it to navigate almost physically, bodily rather than intellectually, so that the opposite might happen, such as one would try to seize "thinking" in order to meditate.
I'm sorry, Peter, I didn't bring myself to say "dumb"...] Peter:H [ wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:18 pmOkay, "rather than intellectual" ... nice. Good argumentation.Taron wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:13 pm I always through that "Trance" was the most adequate name for all heavily repetitive types of genres. It's the idea of creating a very specific sensation, a focused feeling and gradually stimulating it to navigate almost physically, bodily rather than intellectually, so that the opposite might happen, such as one would try to seize "thinking" in order to meditate.
...I'm kidding! I hope you can string more than 3 words together when reading and somehow get what I was trying to say. MyLoFy wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:37 pmI've got a friend who loves rock music. He absolutely hates electronic music. he says that it's not handmade, not real music. Like pushing the demo button on a keyboard.Taron wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:13 pm It's such a fun topic to ponder over, the fundamental differences between or characteristics of genres. I can easily spend some wonderfully relaxing moments just thinking about it. But why not share those thoughts, too.
I always through that "Trance" was the most adequate name for all heavily repetitive types of genres. It's the idea of creating a very specific sensation, a focused feeling and gradually stimulating it to navigate almost physically, bodily rather than intellectually, so that the opposite might happen, such as one would try to seize "thinking" in order to meditate.
But you can find this concept in probably the most ancient forms of music and it's almost funny that it had such a massive comeback into modern technology. Makes fantastic sense, too.
Thing is, the challenge really is a different one. And the danger is the temptation it has created, suggesting to great many people that they could "easily do it, too", but there's a real art to it and it requires also a great sensibility to do it "right".
With complex, deliberate harmonic progressions comes a challenge that many people recognize as difficult and not so easy to replicate. However, to do this right, you best have a bit more to say, because you're offering a story or more complex thought.
Obviously he's not a musician. To punish him I play dubstep and synthwave as much as I can when he's around.
...wow, that's some old-school friend of yours. It still is a weird issue, when you tell older generations about making music (or anything) on the computer. They still think the computer does it all. But that generation is waning...Submit: News, Plugins, Hosts & Apps | Advertise @ KVR | Developer Account | About KVR / Contact Us | Privacy Statement
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