Which plugins are hyped too much in your opinion?

[DJErmac]

I also didn’t agree with the guitar example, as guitar is itself an evolution of traditional luth from middle-ages. What would middle-age people say if they would hear electric guitar ?
Evolution is evolution...

Yes and for our grandparents rockmusic was distorted and undersophisticated shit of rebelling youth and only the warmth of classical instruments in a classical orchester was "the real thing".

THAT’S IT !!!
No need to go apesh!t about this !!
That’s funny and really interesting after all.

[SamDi]

Your example with guitars does not match, because synth music and electronic music was always to spot out new areas, never heard before and beeing innovative. Many musicians, which were innovators in the 70ies and 80ies use today's stuff as Reakor, Max or whatever and not just staying on their analog instruments, while praising them as the holy grail of synths.
Guitar heavy music has not the demand to be continuously innovative.

Experimenting and evolving is no privilege for electro-acoustic music. Contemporary electronic music falls far behind the experiments and inventions from women and men since the beginning of the last century.
Twelve tone music, serialism, micro tonality, aleatoric, generative music and allthis stuff was done in the first half of the last century. While this stuff benefits sometimes from producing with electro-acustic tppls, it does not need them except for ideasthat cannot be made by human beings physically.

You are completely right in what you write. And it doesn‘t contradict to what I wrote. I just stated that electronic music has the „this is the music from the future“ inherently in it‘s core, and thus you have continuously the need to find new sounds, while music based on „classical/hand played/acoustic instruments, doesn‘t have the need to do that in that manner so strong. In Rock, Blues, Jazz, World Music electric guitars or drums sound similar for decades, what doesn‘t mean, that they aren‘t innovative in in therms of tonality, scales or rhythms or structure. The same for classical music, which went partly so innovative, that it is unlistenable for most normal citizens.

So - if something is really over hyped here it is the impact of new plugins on music in general. Contemporary electronic music Is old wine in new skins mostly.

I am not sure. Maybe it‘s over hyped, but I do see it yet in a way, that Massive and Serum brought up an new generation of music, as Dubstep, Neurofunk, Complextro, Bass Music, the same as the VA synths like Virus and Nord Lead brought EDM (e.g. Psytrance) in new dimensions end of the 90ies, which sounded cheesy before.

[jamcat]

I just stated that electronic music has the „this is the music from the future“ inherently in it‘s core

Then why does it all sound so dated an cringy?

In Rock, Blues, Jazz, World Music electric guitars or drums sound similar for decades

And thus timeless, and significant.

The same for classical music, which went partly so innovative, that it is unlistenable for most normal citizens.

Wait, what?
20th century, sure. But not Classical.

[licasto2]

Maybe. But, I'd definitely say they have led to more professional sounding productions.

You mean polished turds? Indeed

[psynical]

Overrated, underrated, who the f**k cares? Just use what you like and let everyone else do the same.

[Dirtgrain]

I like reading about plugins--part of why I'm here. Keep on with the discussions of over hyped plugins. Woot.

[BONES]

Once you read the thread title as "list the things you don't like as much as others do" a lot of these posts start to make a lot more sense.

I don't think so at all. If you don't get that some stuff gets hyped way beyond its actual worth, then I think that's because you are susceptible to the hyping effect. I am not susceptible so I can feel it very plainly when something has been over-hyped because it falls way short of the expectations raised by the hype. Sylenth 1 is probably the most obvious example but there are others. e.g .Why is Serum so much more popular than ANA? I've never even tried the Serum demo but I don't see anything in it that would make it a better option than half-a-dozen other similar synths.

By the way, you made a product that made 80 lovers more than happy (Diva), and you made a product that made modern-sound lovers more than happy (Hive).

I don't understand the distinction. I would use either for the same tasks. To my ears they sound far more the same than they do different. They are just two different V/As in my book. I think it is only people who are obsessed with sounding exactly like the 70s that care, and even then I think most of the time they hear differences that aren't there. I've made up 70-odd 80s covers and during that whole process, never once have I thought that I need an emulation to get any of the sounds I need. TRK-01 or DS-Thorn just as capable of doing a great synthwave bassline as bx_oberhausen, ARP Odyssey or The Legend.

... this type of synths is just important for a small amount of mostly retro-stuff, but for most modern music styles they are not just not needed, but even counterproductive, because they are often hard to integrate in a mix, because of the fatness needing too much space.

That's not the case if you know what you're doing. We make modern electronic music and we use all kinds of synths, interchangeably. DUNE or Obsession, ANA-2 or bx_oberhausen, it make sno difference to us and nobody would pick which synth any of it was when they listen to any of our songs.

Yes and for our grandparents rockmusic was distorted and undersophisticated shit of rebelling youth and only the warmth of classical instruments in a classical orchester was "the real thing".

I don't think so. My aunt would be 108 if she was still alive and she was obsessed with Elvis Presley, even in her dotage. Jazz from the early/mid part of the 20th Century could be far more cacophonous than a lot of rock music, as can some orchestral pieces. My mother hated Dad's Big-Band Jazz a lot more than she hated the music I listened to.

In Rock, Blues, Jazz, World Music electric guitars or drums sound similar for decades

And thus timeless, and significant.

No really. Popcorn and Oxygene IV are just as timeless as In the Mood or Can't Buy Me Love. It's the songs that are timeless, not the instruments used on the recordings. And production dates all of it.

[jamcat]

In Rock, Blues, Jazz, World Music electric guitars or drums sound similar for decades

And thus timeless, and significant.

No really. Popcorn and Oxygene IV are just as timeless as In the Mood or Can't Buy Me Love. It's the songs that are timeless, not the instruments used on the recordings. And production dates all of it.

Welllll...
You could take any rock song from any era and put a band on a stage playing it with the same crunchy guitar tone and 4-on-the-floor beat, and it would sound just as relevant today as it did when it was written. But try that with a 303 and a gabber beat... they'd be laughed right out of the bar.

[Ah_Dziz]

Sound toys always seemed a bit weak considering how much everyone loves them (I get that they were pretty ahead of their time for plugins when they first came out), but I haven't heard then do anything that can't be done elsewhere for a better price and at the least equal quality . Also never really understood what the big deal is with Fabfilter products. They have pretty GUIs, but don't seem to do anything special.

Again this is all high quality stuff but people seem very excited about it when it just isn't really a standout from other products.

[kritikon]

This topic is here to let you know some people have different opinions. Some users seem to be incredibly upset about this, like they never knew and can’t understand. Well, greetings from planet Earth, some people don’t think just like you do.
Mods are going crazy because they have to babysit here... can we just accept what we read in peace ?

Dunno what thread you're reading? I haven't seen anyone go apeshit, mods going crazy or anyone incredibly upset. It's a silly troll thread and is seen as such. Mostly seems to be people listing which synths they either like or dislike, same as most threads in KvR

Seems like the only one trying to get upset about not linking certain synths is you. Which is weird because this is in the effects forum

[BONES]

But try that with a 303 and a gabber beat... they'd be laughed right out of the bar.

That's dance music and it's why I think it's all shite. It's too much about the sounds and the instruments and not at all about the actual songs. But anyone can do a version of Human League's Being Boiled today and it stands up brilliantly. Ditto for Skinny Puppy's Assimilate. That's because a great song is a great song and it transcends all that nonsense. Die Krupps did an EP of highly electronic Metallica covers to make that point - that the songs are good no matter how you do them -

[JockMcRonan]

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[JockMcRonan]

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[Urs]

I've never even tried the Serum demo but I don't see anything in it that [...]

I suspected as much.

[revvy]

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