KVR Audio

MogwaiBoy · Post by **MogwaiBoy** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:01 pm

andy-cytomic wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:25 am
MogwaiBoy wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:27 am
HcDoom wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:52 pm Can we expect The Glue HD any time soon or...? Whats the status?
Or a more immediate question is what is Glue HD gonna be? I can't remember if Andy let slip any details. My assumption is at least "double-precision" internal processing (full 64-bit audio path in/out) - that would warrant the "high definition" tag and be a welcome addition, but it must be more than that. Maybe a high-CPU mode for extra detail/analog realism?
The High Detail/Definition (HD) mode will be like I've done in The Drop and in The Scream, and mode which uses more cpu and more detail in the simulation. In the case of The Glue there will be non-linearities included in the main signal path, not just caused by the amplitude modulation from the non-linear envelope follower. The exact details I won't know until I've done further analysis, but I've automated my tools a lot since The Glue was first released, so I'm looking forward to throwing more tech and more cpu at the situation for a better result. The current Medium Detail (MD) mode will still remain, although this will just be what you get when you disable HD mode. There will also be an automatic switch on render to HD if you want (as well as higher oversampling like there is now).

That sounds truly awesome! We are all looking forward to it.

I guess it shows as CPU's get more powerful, developers won't have to make so many compromises on achieving detail in their simulations. Maybe the gap between analog and analog modelling will get even smaller.

btfnk · Post by **btfnk** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:23 am

My only request is please don't destroy the magic that is the current DSP. I prefer the sound of The Glue about 95% of the time over other newer "more accurate" models of the SSL bus that include more of the hardware's imperfections and foibles. The Glue is cleaner, smoother, and more predictable. As an example it makes a great mastering compressor when used with a low wet/dry percent and the SC HPF engaged. Which is something other SSL comps aren't usually capable of doing as the compression action tends to be too grabby and not smooth enough. I suspect it's the attack/release curves and knee on The Glue being smoother than others.

I'm all for an HD mode and I'm sure you could do a great job with it. I just want to make sure the current sound doesn't die in that upgrade.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:43 am

btfnk wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:23 am My only request is please don't destroy the magic that is the current DSP. I prefer the sound of The Glue about 95% of the time over other newer "more accurate" models of the SSL bus that include more of the hardware's imperfections and foibles. The Glue is cleaner, smoother, and more predictable. As an example it makes a great mastering compressor when used with a low wet/dry percent and the SC HPF engaged. Which is something other SSL comps aren't usually capable of doing as the compression action tends to be too grabby and not smooth enough. I suspect it's the attack/release curves and knee on The Glue being smoother than others.

I'm all for an HD mode and I'm sure you could do a great job with it. I just want to make sure the current sound doesn't die in that upgrade.

With HD mode off you will get the same sound as it is now

btfnk · Post by **btfnk** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:21 am

Awesome. Looking forward to the update.

btfnk · Post by **btfnk** » Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm

Any update on when we can expect this to be updated for Apple Silicon ARM?

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:56 am

btfnk wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm Any update on when we can expect this to be updated for Apple Silicon ARM?

I've finished the DSP part of the Apple Silicon port, so the core algorithm that runs The Glue is ready. This will bring a slight improvement in the CPU usage for the current Intel version as well. Once The Scream is finished and released on the current version of Juce I'll update to the latest version of the Juce framework, which is required to support the user interface and plugin layer - and also VST3 support.

I've also recently spent a chunk of time getting my Apple Silicon M1 Max laptop setup so I can compile for both Apple Silicon and Intel (targeting MacOS 10.12 for backwards compatibility on the Intel side), which is another step along the path that is done. Progress is going well on finishing The Scream, so there will be more news coming in the next few months on this.

Weasel-Boy · Post by **Weasel-Boy** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:15 am

andy-cytomic wrote: Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:56 am
btfnk wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:31 pm Any update on when we can expect this to be updated for Apple Silicon ARM?
I've finished the DSP part of the Apple Silicon port, so the core algorithm that runs The Glue is ready. This will bring a slight improvement in the CPU usage for the current Intel version as well. Once The Scream is finished and released on the current version of Juce I'll update to the latest version of the Juce framework, which is required to support the user interface and plugin layer - and also VST3 support.

I've also recently spent a chunk of time getting my Apple Silicon M1 Max laptop setup so I can compile for both Apple Silicon and Intel (targeting MacOS 10.12 for backwards compatibility on the Intel side), which is another step along the path that is done. Progress is going well on finishing The Scream, so there will be more news coming in the next few months on this.

OK, I guess this qualifies as "a few months". Can you give us an update on progress, Andy?

Havok · Post by **Havok** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:42 am

Weasel-Boy wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:15 am OK, I guess this qualifies as "a few months". Can you give us an update on progress, Andy?

viewtopic.php?p=8504630#p8504630

Weasel-Boy · Post by **Weasel-Boy** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:18 pm

Havok wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:42 am
Weasel-Boy wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:15 am OK, I guess this qualifies as "a few months". Can you give us an update on progress, Andy?
viewtopic.php?p=8504630#p8504630

Interesting news, but nothing to do with progress on The Glue… specifically the VST3 release.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:57 pm

Weasel-Boy wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:18 pm
Havok wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:42 am
Weasel-Boy wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:15 am OK, I guess this qualifies as "a few months". Can you give us an update on progress, Andy?
viewtopic.php?p=8504630#p8504630
Interesting news, but nothing to do with progress on The Glue… specifically the VST3 release.

He said he would be working on it after finishing The Scream, didn't he?

Weasel-Boy · Post by **Weasel-Boy** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:15 am

Havok wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:57 pm He said he would be working on it after finishing The Scream, didn't he?

Not in the post you linked to, no. He only addresses The Scream progress. Nothing whatsoever about The Glue.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:22 am

I've just got the "quick edit" page to finish on The Scream, then it's done on the software side. Then it's preset, manual / audio examples for final release status.

The ARM build / VST3 support all comes with an update to the Juce framework, which will begin in parallel once the software side of The Scream is done, so that's in around two weeks now to begin, all going well. I'm not sure how long the Juce update will take, I'll be able to let you know once things are underway, I'm guessing one to three months.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:38 am

Weasel-Boy wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:15 am Not in the post you linked to, no. He only addresses The Scream progress. Nothing whatsoever about The Glue.

The developer said it on this very same page that you are reading (page 217) inside of this very own thread (a thread about Glue). When asked about Glue development timeline he explained his things and ended with "Progress is going well on finishing The Scream, so there will be more news coming in the next few months on this."

"on this" means on Glue.

And then the user referred to a thread where you can read more on the Scream timeline.

Are you really that silly and cannot use 2 neurons inside your brain, to sum up, what is going on?

You need a sketch illustration?

Weasel-Boy · Post by **Weasel-Boy** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:10 am

andy-cytomic wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:22 am I've just got the "quick edit" page to finish on The Scream, then it's done on the software side. Then it's preset, manual / audio examples for final release status.

The ARM build / VST3 support all comes with an update to the Juce framework, which will begin in parallel once the software side of The Scream is done, so that's in around two weeks now to begin, all going well. I'm not sure how long the Juce update will take, I'll be able to let you know once things are underway, I'm guessing one to three months.

Thanks for the update, Andy. Much appreciated.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:38 am

kmonkey wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:38 am
Weasel-Boy wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:15 am Not in the post you linked to, no. He only addresses The Scream progress. Nothing whatsoever about The Glue.

The developer said it on this very same page that you are reading (page 217) inside of this very own thread (a thread about Glue). When asked about Glue development timeline he explained his things and ended with "Progress is going well on finishing The Scream, so there will be more news coming in the next few months on this."

They even quoted the post that explained this when they asked the original question

Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor