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Leo1999 · Post by **Leo1999** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:33 am

whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:31 am
Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:21 am If you lived today you would know that a lot of music
does not need the high level skills of a musician any more.
Ever heard of loops? Midi file packs? Software that creates
Chord progressions? Drum machines?
Audio correction tools?
Ever heard of Spotify?
So your argument is 'shortcuts exist, so shortcuts are better.'

And to you the act of doing nothing more than compositing someone else's effort is sufficient.

Presumably you would argue for calling yourself a chef because you can heat up a ready-meal.

Have to think of it scientifically

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:38 am

Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:30 am There is not much time available for young people any more,
they also need to spend quite a lot of time watching TV or whatever. Times have changed.
Who would spend 6 hours a day on practicing today,
only a very few exceptions and they, too, will have to adapt
to day's production standards.

There you go, that's that fixed for 30 years ago.

There are just as many of them spending 6 hours a day practising as there ever was.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:41 am

Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:33 am Aren't a bunch of so called music producers even able to play a c major chord or knowing
what it exactly is?! The answer is: You do not have to!

Im well aware of that, but its entirely irrelevant.

Being able to do a thing without knowing what its called isnt a shortcut.

Relying entirely on a premade version of that thing is.

Leo1999 · Post by **Leo1999** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:43 am

whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:38 am
Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:30 am There is not much time available for young people any more,
they also need to spend quite a lot of time watching TV or whatever. Times have changed.
Who would spend 6 hours a day on practicing today,
only a very few exceptions and they, too, will have to adapt
to day's production standards.
it's a scientific way, as well, isn't it

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:45 am

Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:21 am If you lived today you would know that a lot of music
does not need the high level skills of a musician any more.
Ever heard of loops? Midi file packs? Software that creates
Chord progressions? Drum machines?
Audio correction tools?
Ever heard of Spotify?
People fight for things that were habit or popular
in the past and they won't stop the fact that things change.
Like it or don't

Hmm... Does that apply to journalists too? Because nowadays it seems the only thing the so called journalists know doing is "copy and paste" somone else's words and someone else's writings.

Anyway. Loops, MIDI file packs, software that creates "chord progressions" (who needs chord progressions?), drum machines... all that is OK "IF" you look at it as "helpers". The moment you reside on those to actually do what YOU IS SUPPOSED To DO, then you are not in the chain anymore, and can't call anything that comes out yours.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:46 am

I guess the proposal is that the last line should read 'Now fire up your AI so you can spend more time watching makeup tutorials on Tik Tok'

jamcat · Post by **jamcat** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:49 am

Ploki wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:30 am it's not a masturbation competition

How do you know who wins a masturbation competition?
Are points awarded for style?

Or is it a race?

Leo1999 · Post by **Leo1999** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:52 am

How come it is accepted that drum loops are used, whether audio or midi files,
but if a plugin made a voice sound like Barry White or Michael Jackson
many a man would start complaining?!

Toontrack has just released a new drum add on pack for SD3
and you can sound like Phil Collins,
but it doesn't mean you can play like him,
but maybe there are some midi grooves that sound similar!

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:53 am

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:55 am

Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:43 am There are exception.but you don't have to practice that much to meet todays standards.

Yes, I know. There's a reason I posted the 3-chord image, can you work out what it is?

Music is not a big challenge any more, all you need is verse and chorus,
no arrangement skills needed.

Ang once again I'll ask; if you're setting the bar on your own efforts so low, why bother at all?
Because all you're doing is repeatedly justifying my 'shortcuts for wannabes' take.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:56 am

Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:52 am How come it is accepted that drum loops are used, whether audio or midi files,
but if a plugin made a voice sound like Barry White or Michael Jackson
many a man would start complaining?!

How come that's a fallacy?

Mind Riot · Post by **Mind Riot** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:57 am

Ploki wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:30 amIt's music, it's art, it's not a masturbation competition.

suddenly stops masturbating and freezes, eyes wide

Mind Riot · Post by **Mind Riot** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:01 am

revvy wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:53 am Nostalgia ain't what it used to be

Ha ha! Excellent!

Leo1999 · Post by **Leo1999** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:02 am

whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:56 am
Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:52 am How come it is accepted that drum loops are used, whether audio or midi files,
but if a plugin made a voice sound like Barry White or Michael Jackson
many a man would start complaining?!
How come that's a fallacy?

Why make me repeat?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:04 am

Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:02 am
whyterabbyt wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:56 am
Leo1999 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:52 am How come it is accepted that drum loops are used, whether audio or midi files,
but if a plugin made a voice sound like Barry White or Michael Jackson
many a man would start complaining?!
How come that's a fallacy?
Won't change the fact that they are widely used

And that doesnt actually prove anything. Do you not know what a fallacy is, then?

And once again I'll ask; if you're setting the bar on your own efforts so low, why bother at all?

Is it time for SUPER plugin?