First of all how can you see the future and know what AI will be able to do!CinningBao wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:12 am Jeesh, this is unbearable..
AI can be trained. It gets trained on patterns. It doesn't know why the patterns exist, or why <this thing> happened before or after <that thing>, but it can see the patterns. And it's very good at seeing patterns! MIDI, audio, images.. all consist of patterns these brains can be trained to replicate/emulate.
We train ourselves. We spend time listening to a lifetime's worth of music, across various genres or only one or two, it's the person's choice. The 'data' we get from listening to that music is sooooo different from what a digital brain's data looks like.. that's obvious, right? On top of the raw data (this note here, that note that) there is a lorry-load of other details which these brains cannot evaluate or know why it was chosen; subtleties of pitch choices and bending, rhythmic choices (how the drum components are working with each other, the subtle irregular-flamming a real drummer performs), whether the instruments are pulling or pushing against that beat, how much energy the singer gives certain prominent words/notes, where abouts in the breath cycle they were when they chose that note... this stuff is completely out of sight of the magical wondrous AI.
It can 'hear' it, sure, but it has no idea why the choices were made, and what difference the choices make to the end result. None whatsoever.
We aren't going to change this guy's mind when he has been led to believe the choices musicians and writers make are like a dog playing the piano. Does he play anything? Does he understand why he hit that note? Is he just thinking about food and running around in the garden? The answers are no, no and probably yes.
The conflict which exists, for him, is that one second he says that the old musicianship he wants to 'request into his music' is gone, gone gone. Nobody cares about playing anymore, they just want to be able to request a magical program to plonk out some pretty noises for him.
So we (as a civilisation) should just stop playing real instruments and have the last remaining material we are training the brains with (or perhaps he doesn't understand the techy sh!t behind it all) at Sam Smith or Ariana Grande?
Maybe? I'm kind of bored of talking about this guy's misunderstanding of art.
Ah, I'll rephrase that.
I'm kind of bored of talking about this guy's misunderstanding of human expression. Machines can't do human expression. Capiche?
HOWEVER, the point he's making is already happening. We can already, as folks have described, use 'real drummer data' to generate MIDI sequences. But I don't think we can go much beyond that. "A triads sequence in the style of Martin Garrix, a house beat in the style of Derrick May, an 808 like Soulja Boy" - these aren't unreasonable requests to an automaton.
But asking a brain to make music with any intelligence or emotion about it is a dead end.
You will aaalllwwaayyss need a human to curate the generated output. The tool the OP wants will be used in the miserable world of marketting and advertising, if our civilisation hasn't already completed its demise.
Have a more positive day than the tone at the end of this post!
Misunderstanding of art?
Even monkeys painted pictures and it was considered art by experts.
Art is freedom, but you want to limit art and define to your subjective
view on art. Art has no limits, it is freedom.
If freedom in art is prohibited, it's just an expression of people
who think they have the right to define art.
And our topic is music production, isn't it?!
Music production is more a business or self-glorification or just a show
than it s art.
I can imagine your reaction when electric guitars entered the scene, omg!
It's getting more and more ridiculous.
